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How many of GIMPS's errors do people think were due to cosmic rays (just looking for estimates)? 2 primality tests? 5? Maybe more?
I just want to see what everyone else thinks. |
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Sep 2002
Austin, TX
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In the past, I blamed cosmic rays for stability issues, but i now think they were not the reason for my old computer's issues.
The probability of a cosmic ray disintegrating in a computers CPU die is infinitesimal. Even if it happened, it would have little effect on a transistor that is constantly verified by its millions of neighbors. Or course, it only takes one bad iteration to yield incorrect results, so maybe 1 bad LL test is due to a cosmic rays. |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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I think we need some data on which to base such estimates. Googling on the phrase
"cosmic rays" CPU errors finds about 111,000 hits, such as: Quote:
Note the sources of potentially-damaging radiation within the very materials of which computer circuits are manufactured. It's earthly rays as well as cosmic ones. Quote:
Last fiddled with by akruppa on 2007-04-12 at 09:21 Reason: South Atlantic Anomaly (fixed 106->10^6, Alex) |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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I'm putting the estimate at 20 primality tests that were incorrect because of cosmic rays. It sounds like a lot, but it only takes one incorrect iteration to mess up the result of a primality test. This problem will continue to get worse as the length of a test increases.
Does anyone agree/disagree with me? |
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Tribal Bullet
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"Tim Sorbera"
Aug 2006
San Antonio, TX USA
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Sure, there's a ~1% error rate, but how many of those are caused by cosmic rays is the question.
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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My guess is that almost all LL errors are either "hard" (repeatable) errors due to hardware problems such as bad RAM, or soft errors due to hardware/setup flaws such as inadequate cooling or excessive overclocking, and that soft errors due to radiation (including, but not limited to, cosmic rays) are definitely a minority. I think hard errors due to radiation (i.e., radiation-damaged circuitry) are much less common than soft errors due to radiation, but have no actual data on that.
So, in answer to the thread question: I think a small, but not totally negligible, fraction (~3%, say) of the ~1% of LL results that are erroneous are due to cosmic rays, and those would be concentrated among those testers who were at high altitudes or, to a lesser extent, high latitudes. If we knew enough testers' latitudes (and longitudes of those nearest the South Atlantic Anomaly) and altitudes, we might be able to tease out a (faint) correlation between error rate and latitude/altitude. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2007-04-13 at 18:21 |
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Feb 2006
BrasÃlia, Brazil
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Wow. I'd never heard of that "South Atlantic Anomaly". Let me check that out.
The anomaly is roughly ellipse-shaped... the minor axis is something between 0 and -40 degrees... the major axis is around -20 to -90... I'm in -23, -46... that explains a lot my tail, for instance. I wonder if any of the few tests I've done/factors I've found are wrong
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Jun 2005
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Mally is there. Mally and his pyramids. Nobody knows what kind of impact these concentrate the cosmic rays causing brain tumor leading to human error in chip ingeneering like the pentium division bug making the "P-90 year" unit inaccurate driving the stats-monkeys nuts so they see no other way than overclocking to keep their testosterone high enough and get unstable computers.
H.
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