mersenneforum.org

mersenneforum.org (https://www.mersenneforum.org/index.php)
-   Lounge (https://www.mersenneforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   Special whole numbers... (https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=935)

xilman 2006-02-01 21:36

[QUOTE=xilman]What I make of it is that you've either misunderstood the subject or you have mistyped your contribution.

For a start, \alpha is a [b]dimensionless[/b] constant. It essentially specifies the strength of the electromagnetic interaction at zero energy, independently of the units used. The technical term is "coupling constant of the EM interaction". Note that the strength of the EM interaction is energy dependent. At higher energies its value rises.

Secondly, 1/\alpha is not 137. It's measured value is 137.03599911 \pm 4.6e-7


Paul[/QUOTE]Other amusing snippets about \alpha.

In the Bohr formulation of quantum theory, the orbital velocity of the electron in the ground state of the hydrogen atom is \alpha times the speed of light.

In a classical (i.e. non-relativistic) quantum theory, the 1s electrons in an atom with Z=137 would be travelling at just a whiff under the speed of light.

Needless to say, both of these statements are almost meaningless in terms of modern relativistic quantum mechanics.

Paul

nibble4bits 2006-02-02 03:59

OK look at those numbers in binary - they wrap around back to the beginning. I wonder if there's a sort of 'tree' that has all the solutions. It seems that you could create the solutions recursively much like how a serpinski/pascal triangle are related to the golden string.

mfgoode 2006-02-08 16:20

Special whoe numbersl
 
[QUOTE=xilman]The FSC, or \alpha, is defined to be (e^2)/(hbar * c) / (4 * \pi *\epsilon_0)

e has dimension of C (coulombs)
hbar has dimension J s (Joule seconds)
c has dimension m/s (metres per second)
\epsilon_0 has dimension F/m (Farads per meter)

Both other quantities (4 and \pi) are dimensionless.

So the units of \alpha are (C^2) (J^{-1} s^{-1}) (m^{-1} s) (m F^{-1})

Collecting terms, we get C^2 J^{-1} F^{-1}


However, none of coulombs, joules and farads are fundamental units. The dimensions are:


C = A s (Ampere seconds)
J = kg m^2 s^{-2} (kilogram meters squared per seconds squared)
F = m^{-2} kg^{-1} s^4 A^2


So C^2 is A^2 s^2
J^{-1} is kg^{-1} m^{-2} s^2
F^{-1} is m^2 kg s^{-4} A^{-2}


Multiplying out, we find that \alpha is dimensionless, as I claimed.


Paul[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Paul: In my book ‘Einstein’ edited by Louis de Broglie, N.P. laureate, Louis Armand,
French Academy, et.al. there is an essay ‘Einstein the Scientist’ by Roger Nataf, Professor, P. F. des.Sciences. He gives the theory on the absence of Charged particles which is much the same as what you have painstakingly explained in your post.
However he says that the probability of the process is the same as in Schrodinger’s theory and is proportional to the square of the elementary charge ‘e’ of the particle, or more precisely to the Dimensional constant 2*pi*e^2/hc which is = 1/137 ( the constant of fine structure.
This differs from the formula you have given by a factor of 2 and the absence of epilon_0. The last I take as the permittivity of free space.
Dielectric constant 8.8 * 10^ (-12) Farads /meter
Could you please elaborate on this discrepancy ?.
Mally :coffee:

Kees 2006-02-10 14:04

Back to numbers
 
what is special about

132813776

mfgoode 2006-02-14 13:06

[QUOTE=Kees]what is special about

132813776[/QUOTE]
:unsure:
I can only factorise it as 2^4 * 23 * 360907
Mally :coffee:

Kees 2006-02-14 14:04

pretty, but not sufficient. When I posted the number I forgot to check google for a direct link. Gladly enough, I could not find one. Clue will be posted if asked
but one hint never hurts.

The hint is 946:whistle:

mfgoode 2006-02-14 15:16

Special whoe numbersl
 
[QUOTE=Kees]pretty, but not sufficient. When I posted the number I forgot to check google for a direct link. Gladly enough, I could not find one. Clue will be posted if asked
but one hint never hurts.

The hint is 946:whistle:[/QUOTE]
:smile: Well Kees your problem number 132813776 is a tough one to crack so how about a clue as offered by you. :question:
946 is a hexagonal pyramidal number. It is also the sum of the first 6 digits +1 [(132 + 813 ) +1]
946 =945 +1 which is one above the first odd abundant number found by Bachet. I find no connection between 946 and your 9 digit number :unsure:
Mally :coffee:

Richard Cameron 2006-02-14 18:45

[QUOTE=mfgoode]946 =945 +1 which is one above the first odd abundant number found by Bachet. I find no connection between 946 and your 9 digit [/QUOTE]

Mally,

the hint may be that 132813775 is itself notable, or contributes to the specialness of 132813776. 132813775 is highly composite since its 5*5*17*47*61*109 but i can't get beyond that.

Richard

Kees 2006-02-15 10:15

Surely 946 is more special than just being the neighbour of a special number

mfgoode 2006-02-15 15:53

Special whoe numbersl
 
[QUOTE=Kees]Surely 946 is more special than just being the neighbour of a special number[/QUOTE]
:smile: Ha at last!
Happy Triangular Numbers:
If you iterate the process of summing the squares of the decimal digits of a number and if the process terminates in 1, then the original number is called a Happy number. For example 7 -> 49 -> 97 -> 130 -> 10 -> 1.

A Happy Triangular Number is defined as a Triangular number which is also a Happy number. For example, consider a triangular number 946, where 946 -> 133 -> 19 -> 82 -> 68 -> 100 -> 1. So 946 is a Happy triangular Number. Other examples of Happy Triangular Numbers are :

Now what is the connetion with 132813776 ? :question: :unsure:
This is not a Happy Triangular number But if one adds the squares of the digits we get 222 =2 *111 and 111 is triangular in base 9
.Mally :coffee:

Kees 2006-02-15 16:10

So close and yet so far. Triangular numbers seem to be a good plan, but in that case you have to look carefully at 946 and think 'why on earth did he choose 946 as a clue' :whistle:


All times are UTC. The time now is 22:15.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.