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Has this been proven? ... 10^n + 1
Has it been proven that 10^n + 1 is composite for all n > 2 ?
If so, can someone point me to it? It is composite for n odd, since 11 is a factor. But what about n even? |
[QUOTE=monst;111505]Has it been proven that 10^n + 1 is composite for all n > 2 ?
If so, can someone point me to it? It is composite for n odd, since 11 is a factor. But what about n even?[/QUOTE] If n has an odd factor m>1, then 10^n + 1 has a non-trivial factor 10^(n/m)+1. Therefore, the only possibility for 10^n + 1 being prime is n = 2^k (similarly to Fermat primes). |
[QUOTE=maxal;111510]If n has an odd factor m>1, then 10^n + 1 has a non-trivial factor 10^(n/m)+1.
Therefore, the only possibility for 10^n + 1 being prime is n = 2^k (similarly to Fermat primes).[/QUOTE] And as with Fermat primes, we expect that there are only finitely many primes of the form 10^2^n + 1. |
[quote=maxal;111510]If n has an odd factor m>1, then 10^n + 1 has a non-trivial factor 10^(n/m)+1.
Therefore, the only possibility for 10^n + 1 being prime is n = 2^k (similarly to Fermat primes).[/quote] Thanks for the clarity here. Your response has prompted another question in my mind. I believe my original post can be genralized a bit to... For any even base b, b^n + 1 is composite for all n odd, since b + 1 is a factor. My question is... What generalizations to your response can be made for even bases, b? Do all even bases behave "similar to Fermat primes" as you have proven for b = 10? |
Google "Generalized Fermat Numbers" to find more information.
I especially liked the list of factors in Table 1 of Bjorn and Reisel's 1998 paper [URL="http://www.ams.org/mcom/1998-67-221/S0025-5718-98-00891-6/S0025-5718-98-00891-6.pdf"]Factors of Generalized Fermat Numbers[/URL] |
[QUOTE=monst;111522]I believe my original post can be genralized a bit to...
For any even base b, b^n + 1 is composite for all n odd, since b + 1 is a factor.[/quote] This is true for all bases b>1, evenness of b is not required. [QUOTE=monst;111522]What generalizations to your response can be made for even bases, b?[/QUOTE] Generalization is straightforward: If n has an odd factor m>1, then b^n + 1 has a non-trivial factor b^(n/m)+1. In particular, for odd n we can take m=n and obtain the property you mentioned. |
[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;111518]And as with Fermat primes, we expect that there are only finitely many primes of the form 10^2^n + 1.[/QUOTE]
And since the 10[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1 grow much faster with n than the 2[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1, we heuristically expect fewer primes below any bound n. By way of example: 2[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1 is prime for n=0,1,2,3,4 and likely for no other known values [and certainly not for n < 33]; 10[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1 is prime for n=0,1 and for no other values n < 13. [As high as I tested using PARI just now - there is likely a larger known bound] |
[QUOTE=ewmayer;111528]And since the 10[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1 grow much faster with n than the 2[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1, we heuristically expect fewer primes below any bound n.[/QUOTE]
Of course, some numbers scoff at heuristics. 2072005925466[sup]2[sup]n[/sup][/sup]+1 is prime for n = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6. It's the smallest such base and was computed for [url]http://primepuzzles.net/puzzles/puzz_399.htm[/url]. |
[QUOTE=Jens K Andersen;111547]Of course, some numbers scoff at heuristics.[/QUOTE]
"I am Hassan, the rebellious data point ... I scoff at your means and probability distribution functions. I and my fellow rebel outliers wage jihad against the 95%-confidence-interval infidel crusaders. The streets shall flow with the blood of the 3-SD jackals and their lackeys! All praise be unto Allah, the Unstatistical." |
[quote=ewmayer;111580]"I am Hassan, the rebellious data point ... I scoff at your means and probability distribution functions. I and my fellow rebel outliers wage jihad against the 95%-confidence-interval infidel crusaders. [/quote]
on that token, what's the practical use of knowing a sequence is finite if one does not know anything about the last term? e.g. suppose we know that Fermat primes are finite, but the next and last one is [COLOR=#550055]2072005925466 or larger than [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]2,365,100,000,000 (cf [URL="http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A090875"][COLOR=#810081]A090875[/COLOR][/URL]) or 10^10^7 ? and/or, to what extend can heuristics which tell us that a sequence is "most probably" finite, also tell us something about the magnitude of the last term ?[/COLOR] |
[QUOTE=m_f_h;111652] and/or, to what extend can heuristics which tell us that a sequence is "most probably" finite, also tell us something about the magnitude of the last term ?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Generally speaking, they can't. Your question strikes at the difference between existence proofs and constructive proofs. Or, (say) that knowing a diophantine equation has finitely many solutions, but not knowing a bound on them. Or knowing that a set is infinite but being unable to exhibit one of its elements or ....... any of a number of similar situations. Alan Baker's work on linear forms in logarithms can be useful, but it isn't always applicable. A striking example is the Catalan Conjecture. Before Preda Mihailescu :bow: finished his (very elegant) proof, we knew that there were at most finitely many solutions. And we had a bound. But the bound was beyond computer range. Then Preda found a connection to the Wieferich congruence and this brought the problem to a point where the computation became possible (but very large). Then he found a proof that avoided the computations. (APPLAUSE!) Another example: We know that almost all real numbers are Transcendental. The subset that is algebraic is countable, while the reals are uncountable. Thus, the algebraic numbers have density 0 in the reals. But knowing that almost all numbers are transcendental does not help us prove that e.g. The Euler-Mascheroni constant is. |
[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;111658]
Another example: We know that almost all real numbers are Transcendental. The subset that is algebraic is countable, while the reals are uncountable. Thus, the algebraic numbers have density 0 in the reals. But knowing that almost all numbers are transcendental does not help us prove that e.g. The Euler-Mascheroni constant is.[/QUOTE]Even worse: almost all numbers are not computable by a Turing machine but, on the C-T hypothesis, we can't give even a single example! Paul |
[QUOTE=xilman;111663]Even worse: almost all numbers are not computable by a Turing machine but, on the C-T hypothesis, we can't give even a single example!
Paul[/QUOTE] Sure we can. One such example is: For a given finite state machine, what is the probability that a random input tape will halt? |
[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;111664]For a given finite state machine, what is the probability that a random input
tape will halt?[/QUOTE] Your Turing machine still uses a tape drive?!! You should consider upgrading. [Fry's has specials on TMs nearly every week, you just need to be careful to read the fine print, send any rebate form in promptly, and make sure to save a copy of the latter in case it gets "lost" in the mail, as rebate forms appear to be distressingly prone to doing, similarly to insurance claim forms.] |
[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;111664]Sure we can. One such example is:
For a given finite state machine, what is the probability that a random input tape will halt?[/QUOTE]Fair enough --- my statement was too sloppily phrased and should not have used "give". A more accurate verb would be "compute". Even this statement needs tightening up a little. For instance, e is transcendental but we can compute it to an arbitrary but fixed precision and do so efficiently. Non-computable numbers are, by definition, non-computable. Paul |
[QUOTE=ewmayer;111672]Your Turing machine still uses a tape drive?!! You should consider upgrading.
[Fry's has specials on TMs nearly every week, you just need to be careful to read the fine print, send any rebate form in promptly, and make sure to save a copy of the latter in case it gets "lost" in the mail, as rebate forms appear to be distressingly prone to doing, similarly to insurance claim forms.][/QUOTE] This is terrific! What is the price on a standard NDTM??? I'd like to buy one. |
[QUOTE=xilman;111663]Even worse: almost all numbers are not computable by a Turing machine but, on the C-T hypothesis, we can't give even a single example!
Paul[/QUOTE] Even weirder is the fact that if we work outside of the system, there can be an 'equal' number of non-computable numbers as there are computable ones. In other words, there is a countable model for the (standard) reals. And, of course, one could just work with the "computable" reals in the first place depending on which model one favors. :smile: |
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