[QUOTE=chalsall;418560]Sure. :smile:

Imagine that every human is part of a circuit, a very complex circuit. Imagine that every human is a resister; a consumer of energy.

Then, imagine that the circuit within which we all live is effectively closed. Thus, the options are only resistive, conductive, capacitive or radiative.

Hmmmm... I didn't realize I could reduce life to electrical properties....[/QUOTE]

Thanks for elaborating. As I said, it is an interesting analogy. What goes around.....

[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/08/3729435/schwarzenegger-fed-up-with-climate-deniers/http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/08/3729435/schwarzenegger-fed-up-with-climate-deniers/"]Did The Governator Just Come Up With A Republican-Proof Argument On Climate Change?[/URL]

[QUOTE]Arnold Schwarzenegger [URL="https://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-schwarzenegger/i-dont-give-a-if-we-agree-about-climate-change/10153855713574658"]posted a note[/URL] on Facebook on Monday that made a very good point about climate change and renewable energy: It really doesn’t matter what you believe.
The former California governor addressed people who think climate change is a conspiracy or a hoax, and asked them whether the deaths from pollution are acceptable, whether fossil fuels will last forever, and — to paraphrase greatly — what kind of world they want to live in. This excerpt pretty much sums up his argument to climate deniers.[INDENT]There are two doors. Behind Door Number One is a completely sealed room, with a regular, gasoline-fueled car. Behind Door Number Two is an identical, completely sealed room, with an electric car. Both engines are running full blast.
I want you to pick a door to open, and enter the room and shut the door behind you. You have to stay in the room you choose for one hour. You cannot turn off the engine. You do not get a gas mask.
I’m guessing you chose the Door Number Two, with the electric car, right? Door number one is a fatal choice – who would ever want to breathe those fumes?
[/INDENT][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kladner;418718][URL="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/08/3729435/schwarzenegger-fed-up-with-climate-deniers/http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/08/3729435/schwarzenegger-fed-up-with-climate-deniers/"]Did The Governator Just Come Up With A Republican-Proof Argument On Climate Change?[/URL][/QUOTE]

+1. :smile:

This was a hard one to make meet the forum dimensional standards. I had to split the vertical format and make it side by side. :smile:

It is currently 19C outside. I am extremely disappointed

[QUOTE=Dubslow;419077]It is currently 19C outside. I am extremely disappointed[/QUOTE]Much hotter than here. Somewhat dra{ugh,f}ty outside. Tried to empty the {rubbish,trash} {bin,can} and it blew away.:shock: Had to chase it around the yard.

Climate change? Bah. When it storms, I just put on an
old raincoat. Discussing this is beyond boredom.

Everybody does something about the weather,
but nobody wants to talk about it!

:smile::smile:

[QUOTE=davar55;419096]Climate change? Bah. When it storms, I just put on an old raincoat.[/QUOTE]

I know you are being intentionally distracting (I think (hope (pray)) possibly as being a devil's advocate), but when a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/what-climate-change-looks-like-miami-pumps"] single city has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for pumps[/URL] because of rising sea levels might suggest that climate change is real.

We can argue whether this is anthropogenic until the cows fart....

I'm normally leery of linking to ZeroHedge pieces because of their abysmal editorial standards with respect to fact-checking[sup]*[/sup], but this piece on the Paris climate confab-farce is pretty good, if for no other reason than that it borrows from mostly quality sources:

[url=www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-12/con21-halt-worlds-demise-dont-rely-those-who-caused-it]World Leaders Just Agreed To A "Historic" Climate Accord... Which Is Non-Binding And Has No Enforcement Language[/url] | Zero Hedge

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[sup]*[/sup]Example of this from just this week, courtesy of ZH's most prominent blogger:

[url=http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/12/declassified-u-s-government-report-week-fukushima-accident-100-total-spent-fuel-released-atmosphere-unit-4.html]Declassified U.S. Government Report from a Week After Fukushima Accident: “100% of The Total Spent Fuel Was Released to the Atmosphere from Unit 4”[/url] | George Washington

Immediately on scanning the loud headline I thought "bullshit - Uranium-fuel slugs don't simply vaporize like that outside of A-bomb-style explosions". A little further digging reveals that the 100%-release was a hypothetical scenario done as part of a worst-case-style computer modeling exercise. As a fellow BS-sniffer-outer put it, [i]"NARAC was asked to model what would happen if a large amount of the fuel was released to the atmosphere. This report does not say that a large release is actually what happened. This report also says that the model showed that Americans were safe from even this large a release."[/i]

[QUOTE=chalsall;419101]I know you are being intentionally distracting (I think (hope (pray)) possibly as being a devil's advocate), but when a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/what-climate-change-looks-like-miami-pumps"] single city has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for pumps[/URL] because of rising sea levels might suggest that climate change is real.
We can argue whether this is anthropogenic until the cows ... ...[/QUOTE]

You did notice my double dose of smilies in that post...

My view on climate change is: it's slow, it's always been slow, it is
ultimately self-correcting but worth keeping tabs on, it is not an
emergency but keeping the environment cleaner is a nice goal,
and to the extent that this causes major social or political upheavals
it must be watched carefully. As long as science, technology, and
social change for the world are consonant with freedom and
capitalism, I have no problem with the future climate change accords.
And some climate change is desirable - a bit of glacier melting might
be good for the arid regions.

[QUOTE=davar55;419143]...
As long as science, technology, and social change for the world are consonant with freedom [b][size=+3]and[/size][/b] capitalism, I have no problem with the future climate change accords.
...
[/QUOTE]I do not understand you have been saying in numerous posts that freedom is a by-product of capitalism. Now you seem to say that the two concepts are independent after all ?

Jacob