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cheesehead 2007-03-06 15:23

[quote=davieddy;99361]This problem suggests that choosing a multiple of 36 for the number
of degrees in a circle was inspired. When does it date from?[/quote]After I googled "Origin of 360 degrees in a circle", the first two hits,

[URL]http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/sets/select/dm_circle360.html[/URL]

and

[URL]http://www.wonderquest.com/circle.htm[/URL]

eventually both lead to the apparently authoritative book [U]The Exact Sciences in [/U]
[U]Antiquity[/U] by Otto Neugebauer.

Not having Neugebauer's reference at hand, I combined April Halladay's answer at WonderQuest with the eventual answer at MathForum, plus a little of my own, to get (in my wording):

In Mesopotamia the Sumerians had, by 2400 BC, a calendar of 12 months of 30 days each. Apparently they valued the arithmetic niceties of the number 360 more than they were irritated by the five-day yearly discrepancy. They also invented the 360-degree circle, but not subdivisions of degrees, which came later.

About 1500 BC, Egyptians invented the 24-hour day, but with variable-length hours. Roughly the same time in Mesopotamia, Babylonians invented base-60 arithmetic. Later, Greeks made the hours equal and constant.

About 300-100 BC, Babylonians subdivided both the degree and the hour into 60 minutes of 60 seconds each.

philmoore 2007-03-06 20:14

[QUOTE=davieddy;100057]I still wait with interest, Phil[/QUOTE]

I created the graphic with a program called Geometer's Sketchpad which saves its work in the form of a program-specific graphics file. I am able to copy the displayed graphic and paste it into a Word document, but I do not know how to convert it into a format (jpg or gif ?) that I can upload to the forum. Suggestions are welcomed.

Xyzzy 2007-03-06 20:31

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davieddy 2007-03-06 22:11

That's just what I anticipated!

philmoore 2007-03-06 23:00

Thanks for posting that, Mike. I'll try to explain what I found interesting. It was provoked by David's observation of reflection. Suppose we label the vertices consecutively as V[sub]1[/sub], V[sub]2[/sub], V[sub]3[/sub], ... V[sub]18[/sub]. Then what we notice is that the following line segments are all concurrent: V[sub]1[/sub]V[sub]7[/sub], V[sub]2[/sub]V[sub]9[/sub], V[sub]3[/sub]V[sub]12[/sub], and the reflections of the first two segments across the last: V[sub]4[/sub]V[sub]15[/sub] and V[sub]5[/sub]V[sub]17[/sub]. My guess is that there is some underlying symmetry that explains why these lines are concurrent, but I haven't done much research on it. Could something related to Pascal's theorem be at work here?

davieddy 2007-03-07 11:21

Are there other regular polygons with similar
concurrencies of diagonals?

David

davieddy 2007-03-07 11:38

A diagram without the diameters might look
more spectacular?

philmoore 2007-03-07 12:09

Perhaps, but it is the fact that the intersections of the other diagonals fall directly on those diameters that is of interest.

davieddy 2007-03-07 12:16

[quote=philmoore;100126]Perhaps, but it is the fact that the intersections of the other diagonals fall directly on those diameters that is of interest.[/quote]
Two lines intersecting each other is not interesting
which is why removing the diameters (and the trivial symmetric
triple intersections) would emphasize what we are trying to illuminate.

philmoore 2007-03-07 12:42

But it is the fact that three lines intersect at one point that is interesting, and one of those lines is the diameter.

davieddy 2007-03-07 13:05

I'm sure I have a reply to this. Just give me time:)


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