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Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-27 18:19

For your viewing pleasure...
 
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbPQCJtnT6o]Donald Trump vs God on Easter PPV[/url]

xilman 2020-03-27 18:20

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541081]Prince Charles and QEII? Prince Charles has already [url=https://apnews.com/c951dd5c5dcf9cd48b2177f5c4fff164]tested positive[/url].

Announced two days ago.[/QUOTE]Correct.

A search on "Brian Brenda Charles" should turn up the reason.

Checking ...

Yup. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_and_organisations_frequently_parodied_by_Private_Eye[/url] is fourth on the list in my attempt just now.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-27 18:33

[QUOTE=xilman;541083]Correct.

A search on "Brian Brenda Charles" should turn up the reason.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I didn't have "charles" in my search. Trying "uk brian brenda charles elizabeth" puts the reason at the top of the hit parade.

I remember Prince Charles being parodied by a group called "Spitting Image" that used claymation figures to absolutely destroy the victims of their parodies. I remember Prince Charles with a bucket of fried chicken, tossing the pieces out, saying, "Fly, fly!"

kladner 2020-03-27 19:09

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541082][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbPQCJtnT6o"]Donald Trump vs God on Easter PPV[/URL][/QUOTE]
Argh! Bring it on! Perhaps Dog will do some smiting.

xilman 2020-03-27 19:10

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541085]I remember Prince Charles being parodied by a group called "Spitting Image" that used claymation figures to absolutely destroy the victims of their parodies. I remember Prince Charles with a bucket of fried chicken, tossing the pieces out, saying, "Fly, fly!"[/QUOTE]Latex puppets, actually, but still a superb TV programme.

I hear that it is going to be revived RSN. Can't wait to see what the Trump puppet will look like.

ewmayer 2020-03-27 19:40

Update on the scandalous "orphan drug" sweetheart deal for Gilead Sciences I linked to a couple days ago - like I said, sunlight (bad publicity) is the best disinfectant:

[url=https://theintercept.com/2020/03/25/gilead-sciences-coronavirus-drug/]Gilead Sciences Backs Off Coronavirus Drug Monopoly Claim[/url] | The Intercept

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-28 01:30

There's an [url=https://apnews.com/6f1fef1bcf19f9b0eb9cd8bce39a8d5e]AP column[/url] about the 1919 Stanley Cup Final Series Not Completed because of the flu pandemic. I had never heard about it.

kladner 2020-03-28 01:57

[QUOTE=xilman;541091]Latex puppets, actually, but still a superb TV programme.

I hear that it is going to be revived RSN. Can't wait to see what the Trump puppet will look like.[/QUOTE]
I would love to see the episode(s?) with Ronnie Raygun. The one I remember is a birthday party dinner for the prez, hosted by Nancy R and Frank S. Genesis did a music video with some Spitting Image animation:

Land of Confusion. Seems pretty apt right now.

[url]https://youtu.be/Yq7FKO5DlV0[/url] :smile:


[YOUTUBE]Yq7FKO5DlV0[/YOUTUBE]

LaurV 2020-03-28 02:55

[QUOTE=Nick;541074]The BBC just published a photo of Queen Elizabeth using a rotary dial phone
(turned away from the camera so that you cannot read the number).
Is pulse dialling still supported in the UK or have they just kept 1 old branch exchange
for the town of Windsor?[/QUOTE]
No, it is not. Some rich people still keep old fancy phones in their house. The IC to change from pulse dialing to tone dialing costs $0.20 (you can google "pulse to tone dial converter IC" or similar. But anyhow, you can easily try by knocking on the fork of the phone, try an easy number like 112 (here in Thai used to order pizza or so).

Edit: reading the rest of the thread, what the other people said about the close circuit could be also true. Most probably, the palace is not directly exposed to the open sky... (Asimov, "Caves of Steel").

Nick 2020-03-28 10:29

[QUOTE=LaurV;541127]you can easily try by knocking on the fork of the phone, try an easy number like 112 (here in Thai used to order pizza or so).[/QUOTE]
Don't try that number in the UK or anywhere in the EU!
It's the emergency number (our version of 911 in the US ).
While most people in the UK would call 999, 112 works there as well because of their
recent EU membership.

xilman 2020-03-28 10:58

[QUOTE=Nick;541142]Don't try that number in the UK or anywhere in the EU!
It's the emergency number (our version of 911 in the US ).
While most people in the UK would call 999, 112 works there as well because of their recent EU membership.[/QUOTE]In some areas 911 works too. The neighborhoods[sic] of USAF airbases are the principle examples.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-28 13:14

[QUOTE=xilman;541091]Latex puppets, actually, but still a superb TV programme.

I hear that it is going to be revived RSN. Can't wait to see what the Trump puppet will look like.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, latex puppets it was. Fits the images rattling around in my brain perfectly. Can't imagine why I was thinking claymation.

I remember skits featuring the then (late 1980's) Chancellor of the Exchequer Nigel Lawson. In one of them, PM Margaret Thatcher was reciting a litany of declines in the value of the Pound. Lawson replied, "But you said you wanted to [i]abolish[/i] the Pound." To which PM Thatcher retorted, "I want to abolish the Pound [i]note,[/i] not the Pound Sterling!" Whereupon all the Ministers started chorusing, "Nigel made a balls-up! Nigel made a balls-up!"

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-28 13:26

Update as reported in the [url=https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/28/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-27-a69117]Moscow Times[/url]:

03/27/20 Russia confirmed 196 new coronavirus infections on Friday, bringing the country's official number of cases up to 1,036

03/28/20 Russia confirmed 228 new coronavirus infections on Saturday, bringing the country's official number of cases up to 1,264

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-28 14:08

That Anthony Fauci has gotten to be a real pain, contradicting Our Great Leader in public!

Not to worry, though. Good ol' Peter Barry Chowka has been rallying the troops! [url=https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/anthony_fauci_the_nihs_face_of_the_coronavirus_is_a_deepstate_hillary_clintonloving_stooge.html]Anthony Fauci, the NIH's face of the coronavirus, is a Deep-State Hillary Clinton–loving stooge[/url][quote]Anthony Fauci, M.D., the 79-year old head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), has become the #1 point man on the government's role in the coronavirus crisis.

Fauci has worked for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) his entire professional life. In the past, for more than two decades starting in the mid-1980s, he was the medical establishment's face of HIV-AIDS — omnipresent on television when AIDS was hot and ever present at international AIDS conferences well into the 21st century.

Always, he was an enthusiastic advocate of throwing more federal money at the problem of AIDS.

He's widely praised in the press. He's also held in high esteem by his medical peers.

In 2008, President George W. Bush honored Fauci with the nation's highest civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

A look back at what Fauci and his colleagues did during their decades of pushing fear and the spending of billions of dollars of funding for HIV-AIDS is instructive.[/quote]

xilman 2020-03-28 15:36

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541149]Ah, yes, latex puppets it was. Fits the images rattling around in my brain perfectly. Can't imagine why I was thinking claymation.

I remember skits featuring the then (late 1980's) Chancellor of the Exchequer Nigel Lawson. In one of them, PM Margaret Thatcher was reciting a litany of declines in the value of the Pound. Lawson replied, "But you said you wanted to [i]abolish[/i] the Pound." To which PM Thatcher retorted, "I want to abolish the Pound [i]note,[/i] not the Pound Sterling!" Whereupon all the Ministers started chorusing, "Nigel made a balls-up! Nigel made a balls-up!"[/QUOTE]Another famous Thatcher appearance was when she and her Cabinet were in a restaurant together. Maggie was asked what she would like to eat. I forget the exact answer but it was something like "roast beef". To the follow-up question, "what about the vegetables" she replied "they will have the same as me."

Uncwilly 2020-03-28 16:15

[QUOTE=xilman;541143]In some areas 911 works too. The neighborhoods[sic] of USAF airbases are the principle examples.[/QUOTE]I have heard that: if you travel to a foreign land, that if you use your local distress number on your mobile, it will get translated by the magic of the system into the local number. A limey could call 999 while in the states, and so forth.
I don't know of any first hand tests of this personally.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-28 16:29

[QUOTE=xilman;541155]Another famous Thatcher appearance was when she and her Cabinet were in a restaurant together. Maggie was asked what she would like to eat. I forget the exact answer but it was something like "roast beef". To the follow-up question, "what about the vegetables" she replied "they will have the same as me."[/QUOTE]
Yes, I remember that one too!

There was one where she was talking to one of her Cabinet Ministers -- while using the urinal next to the one he was using.

xilman 2020-03-28 17:06

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;541158]I have heard that: if you travel to a foreign land, that if you use your local distress number on your mobile, it will get translated by the magic of the system into the local number. A limey could call 999 while in the states, and so forth.
I don't know of any first hand tests of this personally.[/QUOTE]|Not heard that one.

The 911 version works for anyone, including landlines. Some Brits have taken to using it because it supposedly gets a faster response. Personally I very much doubt that claim.

It all makes perfect sense as long as the foreign code isn't already in use for any significant local purpose. I'd hope 112, 999 and 911 were universal distress signals in line with SOS and MayDay (the latter being the English phonetic spelling of the French term) m'aidez.

kladner 2020-03-28 17:20

The Craziest Things About America Highlighted by this Virus
 
-by Caitlin Johnstone

[url]https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/27/covid-19-the-craziest-things-about-america-highlighted-by-this-virus/[/url]
[QUOTE]The corporate cronyism of America’s political system has been highlighted with a massive kleptocratic multitrillion-dollar corporate bailout of which actual Americans are only receiving a tiny fraction. Instead of putting that money toward paying people a living wage to stay home during a global pandemic, the overwhelming majority of the money is going to corporations while actual human beings receive a paltry $1,200 (which they won’t even be getting until May at the earliest) at a time of record-smashing unemployment.

America’s capitalism worship has been highlighted by The Wall Street Journal headline 15:47:02 running at the exact same time as “Record Rise in Unemployment Claims Halts Historic Run of Job Growth — More than 3 million workers file for jobless benefits as coronavirus hits the economy.” Stocks are booming, Amazon is surging, and mountains of wealth are being transferred to sprawling megacorporations, while actual human beings are terrified of what the future holds.[/QUOTE]

retina 2020-03-28 17:52

[QUOTE=kladner;541169]-by Caitlin Johnstone

[url]https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/27/covid-19-the-craziest-things-about-america-highlighted-by-this-virus/[/url][quote]... the overwhelming majority of the money is going to corporations while actual human beings receive a paltry $1,200 ...[/quote][/QUOTE]That is the same thinking as the IoT and various other devices like phones and tractors. The majority of the public seem to be perfectly okay with the corporations keeping control of the things they "sell". So naturally it follows that this extra money [i]should[/i] go to the corps to keep the user's stuff running. Right? Because clearly we can't trust the public to spend it wisely, they'll all just waste it on food and shelter, when instead it should go to companies to make better adverts and sell more stuff. :devil:

ewmayer 2020-03-28 19:25

[QUOTE=xilman;541166]|The 911 version works for anyone, including landlines. Some Brits have taken to using it because it supposedly gets a faster response. Personally I very much doubt that claim.[/QUOTE]

IIRC S. Korea uses reversed-911, 119.

But AFAIK *bit*-reversed 911, 967, is still available.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-29 01:18

"Life-or-death?" Mostly "death," I'm guessing...
 
[url=https://apnews.com/b21a296383694c6726d03e027134daf1]Brazil's Bolsonaro makes life-or-death coronavirus gamble[/url][quote]RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Even as coronavirus cases mount in Latin America's largest nation, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has staked out the most deliberately dismissive position of any major world leader, calling the pandemic a momentary, minor problem and saying strong measures to contain it are unnecessary.

Bolsonaro says his response to the disease matches that of President Donald Trump in the U.S., but the Brazilian leader has gone further, labeling the virus as "a little flu" and saying state governors' aggressive measures to halt the disease were crimes.

On Thursday, Bolsonaro told reporters in the capital, Brasilia, that he feels Brazilians' natural immunity will protect the nation.
<snip>
Bolsonaro, 65, shows no sign of wavering even as the nation's tally of confirmed COVID-19 cases approach 4,000, deaths top 100 and Brazilians overwhelmingly demand tough anti-virus measures.[/quote]

CRGreathouse 2020-03-29 01:40

[QUOTE=xilman;541143]In some areas 911 works too. The neighborhoods[sic] of USAF airbases are the principle examples.[/QUOTE]

I lived just off RAF Brawdy for several years, not sure if 911 worked there though. (Military brat)

CRGreathouse 2020-03-29 01:46

[QUOTE=paulunderwood;541051]I am not sure this has been covered in this thread... but there are two types of covid-19: [URL="https://www.timesnownews.com/health/article/coronavirus-has-two-strains-l-type-more-aggressive-and-contagious-than-s-type-says-study/561144"]S and L[/URL], the latter being more deadly.[/QUOTE]

The study that this is based on is flawed and should be withdrawn. There are very few mutations in COVID-19, its repair mechanism (similar to [url=https://www.pnas.org/content/115/2/E162]the one in MERS and SARS-CoV-1[/url]) is so good that it's acting much more like a DNA virus than an RNA virus, IMO. You can track the phylogeny trees by individual point mutations and there aren't many (~10).

kladner 2020-03-29 02:10

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541217][URL="https://apnews.com/b21a296383694c6726d03e027134daf1"]Brazil's Bolsonaro makes life-or-death coronavirus gamble[/URL][/QUOTE]
Whatever might be done in Rio, for instance, wouldn't reach deep into the slums. Even if well-off folk could retreat to their gated communities, there would be a simmering reservoir of the virus waiting for them outside.
My partner, who is much less swayed than I by wild possibilities, says in bitter moments that the intent behind the mangled pandemic response is to thin the herd through intentional neglect and obstruction.

kladner 2020-03-29 16:21

Ignore the bankers – the Trump economy is not worth more coronavirus deaths
 
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/29/bankers-trump-economy-coronavirus-deaths[/URL]

[QUOTE]The bankers and billionaires now urging Americans get back to work possess a huge share of that stock market. The richest 1% of the population owns roughly half of the value of all shares of stock. (The richest 10% own more than 80%.)

So when they recommend Americans get back to work for the sake of the “economy”, they’re really urging that other people risk their lives for the sake of the bankers’ and billionaires’ own stock portfolios.
[/QUOTE]

kriesel 2020-03-29 18:12

Today's numbers:
Globally, 685623 cases, 32988 deaths, 145706 recovered, 177 nations
CFR1 = 32988 / (32988+145706) = 0.1846 =18.46%
CFR2 = 32988 / 685623 = 0.048 = 4.8%

US: 125313 casas, 1986 deaths, 2612 recovered
CFR1 = 1986 / ( 1986+2612) = 0.4318 = 43.18%
CFR2 = 1986 / 125313 = 0.01585 = 1.58%
[URL]https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]
global: 708020 cases, 33529 deaths, 50734 recovered, 523757 active cases of which 5% are serious or critical; 18% death rate in closed cases
USA: 133240 cases, 2363 deaths, 4378 recovered, 126499 active of which 2948 serious or critical;
cases 403/M, deaths 7/M

kriesel 2020-03-29 18:24

[QUOTE=kladner;541243][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/29/bankers-trump-economy-coronavirus-deaths[/URL][/QUOTE]
It takes people showing up for work, to produce food and the inputs for farming, transport the food to distribution points, produce electricity so the gadgets in the clinics and hospitals work, make and deliver the PPE so the medical staff don't get sick or die, make and deliver test kits, make and deliver medicines, staff the pharmacies, keep municipal water wells working, deal with underground pipe breaks, etc.
If everyone stopped showing up for work, lots of people would die.
There is no zero-death solution. Only tradeoffs, weakly measured or merely estimated.

The life expectancy without Covid19 was 80ish. In a normal year millions die in the US.
Much of it is due to predictable outcomes of people's own choices, producing obesity, diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, lung cancer from cigarettes or cigars, alcohol or other substance abuse or overdose, trauma from reckless driving or speeding or poor vehicle maintenance, intentional violence, etc.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-29 18:29

Gleaned from the [url=https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-29-a69117]Moscow Times[/url]:

03/22/20 Russia confirmed 61 new cases of coronavirus
03/23/20 Russia confirmed 71 new coronavirus infections total 438
03/24/20 Russia confirmed 57 new coronavirus infections total 495
03/25/20 No report, but by subtraction, 163 new cases, total 658
03/26/20 Russia confirmed 182 new coronavirus infections total 840
03/27/20 Russia confirmed 196 new coronavirus infections total 1036
03/28/20 Russia confirmed 228 new coronavirus infections total 1264
03/29/20 Russia confirmed 270 new coronavirus infections total 1534

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-29 18:38

[QUOTE=kriesel;541251]
If everyone stopped showing up for work, lots of people would die.
There is no zero-death solution. Only tradeoffs, weakly measured or merely estimated.[/quote]Strawmen do not need to worry about getting Coronavirus.

One thing I think it's reasonable to be concerned about is, if enough people get COVID-19 [i]at the same time[/i], it could overwhelm hospitals, making them unable to treat patients with other problems.

Oh, wait, people with other problems, be they illness or injury, have only themselves to blame. Screw 'em.

Uncwilly 2020-03-29 18:55

[QUOTE=kriesel;541251]It takes people showing up for work, to produce food and the inputs for farming, transport the food to distribution points, produce electricity so the gadgets in the clinics and hospitals work, make and deliver the PPE so the medical staff don't get sick or die, make and deliver test kits, make and deliver medicines, staff the pharmacies, keep municipal water wells working, deal with underground pipe breaks, etc.
[/QUOTE]Those people are still on the job. The bankers are talking about movie makers, ball players, nail salons, buying new cars that they are being sold, clothes that are fashionable, eat expensive meals, tear up their houses and buy new floors, etc., etc.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-30 00:04

[quote=Dr Sardonicus;539355]Of course I'm generally skeptical about what Chinese officialdom says, but so far I've seen no indication that they've done an about-face and are now studiously ignoring new cases of COVID-19. I suppose one way to do that would be, just make and distribute a whole lot of dummy test kits. That would be one way to make sure a lot of patients tested negative![/quote]
It seems I was actually on to something here. But the [url=https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-launches-investigation-into-bioeasy-maker-of-faulty-coronavirus-test-kits-sold-to-spain]defective test kits[/url], along with [url=https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/29/netherlands-recalls-hundreds-of-thousands-of-defective-chinese-face-masks]defective masks[/url], were for export only!

LaurV 2020-03-30 04:48

3B1B, which I faithfully follow since their Linear Algebra series, has a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs"]very nice new video[/URL] everybody should watch.

(I initially posted this in the [URL="https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=541307"]parallel thread[/URL], but then I decided to edit that and post it separate here so more people see it)

Embeded youtube tab too: (same link as above)

[YOUTUBE]gxAaO2rsdIs[/YOUTUBE]

kriesel 2020-03-30 08:14

How to tell when the tide turns [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XLXg4fYsc&feature=youtu.be[/url]

xilman 2020-03-30 08:50

UK, the Netherlands and France now following the Italian trajectory very closely, with Spain still running on a very similar growth curve but with a higher number of fatalities.

US still in exponential growth with a 33% increment each day.

Hard to tell whether Belgium's early lock down has had any significant effect.

Reminder: the source of this data is [URL="https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest"]here[/URL]

Xyzzy 2020-03-30 12:25

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/india/india-coronavirus-social-distancing-intl-hnk[/url]

kriesel 2020-03-30 17:07

Some recovered patients later testing positive again
 
[URL]https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3076989/coronavirus-10pc-recovered-patients-test-positive-later-say[/URL]

kladner 2020-03-30 18:05

More Contemptible Scum
 
[URL]https://www.thelostogle.com/2020/03/29/imagenet-consulating-stimulus-payment/[/URL]
This site was slow to load, but the dose of outrage it provides is worth it. Note that the culprits' web address is included. Let them know how you feel about their claims of "hardship." (It seems that they filter their Contact Us form. Not sure if my blast got through.)
[QUOTE]One of the few positive things about the Coronavirus pandemic is that it shows us just how greedy, heartless and merciless some corporations can truly be.

For example, we have learned via the Ogle Mole Network that [B][URL="https://www.imagenetconsulting.com/"]ImageNet Consulting[/URL] [/B]– an Oklahoma City-based “Information Technology Solutions” firm that sells high-dollar copiers, scanners, and IT services to companies all across the country – wanted their remaining employees to forfeit a portion of their April paycheck that is equal to the amount they will receive from their government-issued Coronavirus stimulus payment.

Basically, ImageNet Consulting came up with a plan to pocket their employees’ stimulus checks!
[/QUOTE][QUOTE]In all fairness to ImageNet, they could use the extra money. According [URL="https://blog.imagenetconsulting.com/imagenet-a-year-in-review-2018"]to this blog post[/URL] by company CEO Pat Russell, [U]the privately held company – which is worth at least nine-figures – [I]only[/I] has annual revenues that exceed $100-million, and margins that run about 40%,[/U] so they also obviously need their employees stimulus checks to remain so profitable!
In fact, they need their employees kids stimulus payments, too![INDENT]The agreement would put workers under a “temporary compensation reduction that is in line with the assistance that it receives from the federal government related to the COVID-19 pandemic.” By signing the agreement, the company’s employees would have their paychecks between April 6 and April 20 cut by 100% of any money received under the stimulus bill.
[U]The company would also take half of the $500 stipend allotted for dependents under the bill.[/U]
[/INDENT]I don’t know about you, but that’s pretty badass in a shitty, corporate-asshole type of way! [U]I’m sure the people at Hobby Lobby are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first![/U]
[/QUOTE]

xilman 2020-03-30 20:29

[url]https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2020/march/back-envelope-estimates-next-quarters-unemployment-rate[/url]

Hmm, a > 30% unemployment rate seems rather on the high side to me. 10%, perhaps.

ewmayer 2020-03-30 20:49

[QUOTE=CRGreathouse;541220]The study that this is based on is flawed and should be withdrawn. There are very few mutations in COVID-19, its repair mechanism (similar to [url=https://www.pnas.org/content/115/2/E162]the one in MERS and SARS-CoV-1[/url]) is so good that it's acting much more like a DNA virus than an RNA virus, IMO. You can track the phylogeny trees by individual point mutations and there aren't many (~10).[/QUOTE]

Echoing the above:

[url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164235/US-coronavirus-Map-shows-eight-strains-raced-world.html]How coronavirus mutated and eight strains raced around the world after initial outbreak in China as global cases top 660,000 and deaths hit 30,847[/url] | Daily Mail -- One typo in their exec-summary 'DNA' should be 'RNA':
[quote]o Scientists around the world have been sequencing virus DNA to track the spread
o There are eight strains identified, but all are very similar with tiny variations
o Experts say that no strain appears to be more lethal than any of the others
o It's also highly unlikely that the virus could mutate into a more lethal strain
o Coronavirus appears to mutate very slowly, giving hope for long-lasting vaccine [/quote]

On the reports of alleged reinfections:
[quote]If you are hearing about #covid19 “reinfections” in Asia, I can offer you my take as a virologist. The best explanation for what we’re seeing is likely due to three things…

&mdash; Peter Kolchinsky (@PeterKolchinsky) [url=https://twitter.com/PeterKolchinsky/status/1244029896453754880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]March 28, 2020[/url]
[/quote]
In short: The tests are sensitive not just to the viral RNA but to snips of DNA and RNA in the environment, some of which is from patients having smashed the virus to bits successfully. This ties in with the above slow mutation rate - with e.g. flu, once our immune system vanquishes one strain, it remains immune to said strain, as any incipient re-infection by same is quickly mopped up by rapid ramping-up of the memory antibodies resulting from the initial infection, and further, we tend to have partial immunity to similar strains. Only when ever-ongoing recombination and mutation produces a sufficiently-different (and pathogenic) strain are we at risk. (Or if our immune system memory somehow becomes compromised, as is the case with e.g. AIDS patients and certain other infections, notably measles.)

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-30 21:05

Dr. David Price is a critical care pulmonologist caring for COVID-19 patients all day in NYC at Weill Cornell Hospital. He made [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitWZj9QhdQ]This video[/url] on how to protect yourself.

kladner 2020-03-30 22:12

This is [U]not[/U] exactly a Snopes fact check. The site happened to be one of many reporting on the [multiple expletive] preacher of a Florida mega-church being arrested for ignoring Distancing orders and holding two packed Sunday services.

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/03/30/florida-pastor-arrested-for-violating-rules-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Florida officials have arrested the pastor of a megachurch after detectives say he held two Sunday services with hundreds of people and violated a safer-at-home order in place to limit the spread of the coronavirus.[/QUOTE]:razz::missingteeth::grin:
The sheriff stated that the "Man of God" (my words) not only endangered hundreds of his congregation, but also thousands of their neighbors. :sad:
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] EDIT: I wonder if any of these fools will question, should they contract the virus, how it was that their fervent prayers did not protect them.

"What we have here, is failure to communicate" (with a non-existent Magic Sky Pixie who was supposed to be watching over these folks.) :loco:

kriesel 2020-03-30 23:47

Projections for US overall and by state [URL]https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections[/URL]
NY is in big trouble; hospital beds 18% of projected need, ICU beds 6.5% of projected need.
From [url]http://www.healthdata.org/research-article/forecasting-covid-19-impact-hospital-bed-days-icu-days-ventilator-days-and-deaths[/url]

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-31 00:14

03/30/20 Russia confirmed 302 new coronavirus infections total 1,836

tServo 2020-03-31 00:46

For the second day in a row, tRump has said that the reason hospitals have a shortage of protective masks is that healthcare workers are stealing them and they are "going out the back door*.
He expressed total skepticism that they could use so many.

[URL="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-health-care-workers-steal-coronavirus-masks_n_5e826eadc5b603fbdf47f2b4"]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-health-care-workers-steal-coronavirus-masks_n_5e826eadc5b603fbdf47f2b4[/URL]

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-31 00:58

[QUOTE=kladner;541358][URL]https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/03/30/florida-pastor-arrested-for-violating-rules-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/[/URL]
[/QUOTE]
You might want to see the video I posted a link to in [url=https://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=541357&postcount=429]this post[/url] (most emphasized: [b]Don't touch your face![/b]) and read the [url=https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/library/hillsborough/media-center/documents/administrator/epg/saferathomeorder.pdf]actual order[/url], about how the church managed the service WRT preventing the virus's spread, and the [url=https://lc.org/newsroom/details/033020-fl-pastor-arrested-for-holding-church-service]points raised by its legal beagles[/url]. One thing about their arguments that got my attention was, they were based on the church being a "business."

kladner 2020-03-31 01:28

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541371]You might want to see the video I posted a link to in [URL="https://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=541357&postcount=429"]this post[/URL] (most emphasized: [B]Don't touch your face![/B]) and read the [URL="https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/library/hillsborough/media-center/documents/administrator/epg/saferathomeorder.pdf"]actual order[/URL], about how the church managed the service WRT preventing the virus's spread, and the [URL="https://lc.org/newsroom/details/033020-fl-pastor-arrested-for-holding-church-service"]points raised by its legal beagles[/URL]. One thing about their arguments that got my attention was, they were based on the church being a "business."[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I started the video, but I am really at saturation right now. It sounds like an excellent presentation.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-31 01:33

[QUOTE=tServo;541368]For the second day in a row, tRump has said that the reason hospitals have a shortage of protective masks is that healthcare workers are stealing them and they are "going out the back door*.
He expressed total skepticism that they could use so many.

[URL="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-health-care-workers-steal-coronavirus-masks_n_5e826eadc5b603fbdf47f2b4"]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-health-care-workers-steal-coronavirus-masks_n_5e826eadc5b603fbdf47f2b4[/URL][/QUOTE]
They're hoarding ventilators, too :rolleyes:

I have heard reports that people empowered to write prescriptions have been writing scrips for hydroxychloroquine for themselves and friends and family, in effect hoarding this drug, which may be bad for patients with, say, lupus, who are already using it. The drug, which is being studied for use in treating coronavirus infections, has gotten FDA approval for emergency use on coronavirus patients.

a1call 2020-03-31 01:34

[QUOTE=kladner;541374]Thanks. I started the video, but I am really at saturation right now. It sounds like an excellent presentation.[/QUOTE]


kladner, please take a break from Coronavirus for a while and watch something interesting/unrelated on TV.
It's going to be ok. The chance of getting severely ill is still astronomically low despite all the grim news. There are 7.7 Billion people in the world.

kriesel 2020-03-31 02:02

Tonight's numbers:
Global: 784314 cases, 37638 deaths, 165288 recovered
CFR1=37638/(37638+165288) = 0.1855 = 18.55%
CFR2= 37638/784314 = 0.048 = 4.8%

US: 163429 cases, 2657 deaths, 5764 recovered
CFR1= 2657 / (2657+5764) = 0.3155 = 31.55%
CFR2= 2657 / 163429 = 0.01626 = 1.63%
[URL]https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]
global: 785534 cases, 37811 deaths, 165585 recovered, 582138 active cases, 5% serious or critical
USA: 164121 cases, 3163 deaths, 5506 recovered, 155452 active cases, of which 3512 are serious or critical; deaths 10/million of population

kladner 2020-03-31 02:52

[QUOTE=a1call;541376]kladner, please take a break from Coronavirus for a while and watch something interesting/unrelated on TV.
It's going to be ok. The chance of getting severely ill is still astronomically low despite all the grim news. There are 7.7 Billion people in the world.[/QUOTE]
My concern is for all the people who are getting sick. My partner and I are isolating with occasional supply runs. We have been without a TV for about five months. I will find some nature documentary on YouTube for distraction. :smile:

a1call 2020-03-31 03:18

:tu:[QUOTE=kladner;541380]My concern is for all the people who are getting sick. My partner and I are isolating with occasional supply runs. We have been without a TV for about five months. I will find some nature documentary on YouTube for distraction. :smile:[/QUOTE]

:tu:

Xyzzy 2020-03-31 12:20

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/politics/red-states-blue-cities-coronavirus/index.html[/url]

xilman 2020-03-31 12:29

Biological warfare

[XKCD]2287[/XKCD]

Shame the centre character is a bacteriophage rather than one which infects humans.

Uncwilly 2020-03-31 13:32

[QUOTE=xilman;541396][XKCD]2287[/XKCD][/QUOTE]Thank you kind sir. XKCD is always welcome.

kladner 2020-03-31 16:46

Stay the F*** at Home
 
A short song, replete with F bombs.
[URL]https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk[/URL]

Till 2020-03-31 16:59

[QUOTE=kladner;541407]A short song, replete with F bombs.
[URL]https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk[/URL][/QUOTE]


I like the one coming afterwards even better :-)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QniMWBSbCU[/url]

kladner 2020-03-31 17:02

[QUOTE=Till;541408]I like the one coming afterwards even better :-)
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QniMWBSbCU[/URL][/QUOTE]
That is hilarious, too! :smile:

xilman 2020-03-31 17:52

[QUOTE=kladner;541407]A short song, replete with F bombs.
[URL]https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk[/URL][/QUOTE]Wonderful!

Clearly influenced by the great Tom Lehrer

xilman 2020-03-31 18:32

Nice one by Neil Sedaka

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxnETrhOIAE[/url]

and another good one

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoQJerrMcwA[/url]

This is also good but, sadly, incomplete.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7oqAAXZaks[/url]

kladner 2020-03-31 20:03

[QUOTE=xilman;541417]Nice one by Neil [STRIKE]Sedaka[/STRIKE]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxnETrhOIAE[/URL]

and another good one

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoQJerrMcwA[/URL]

This is also good but, sadly, incomplete.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7oqAAXZaks[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's Neil Diamond, Sir.
I love the opening with the dog's nose.

xilman 2020-03-31 20:13

[QUOTE=kladner;541420]That's Neil Diamond, Sir.
I love the opening with the dog's nose.[/QUOTE]I abase myself in your general direction.

In partial recompense, please go to

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eo9M4-BrJA[/url]

The final gong stroke is an inspiration!

kladner 2020-03-31 20:28

[QUOTE=xilman;541421]I abase myself in your general direction.

In partial recompense, please go to

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eo9M4-BrJA[/URL]

The final gong stroke is an inspiration![/QUOTE]
Gotta lay low, mas........... :rolleyes:
Thanks, Paul.

[CENTER] I wonder if Freddie Mercury's estate is getting royalties
[/CENTER]
[CENTER]For all these parodies.
[/CENTER]

xilman 2020-03-31 20:42

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giDttMU-k00[/url] is magnificent!

Alternatively,

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_tEdQvFcc[/url]

has better lyrics IMAO

"No toilet paper frightening, very very frightening me".

kladner 2020-03-31 22:53

Part 1
The Drumf lip-syncing is fantastic!

Part 2
The lyrics, and the greatly increased clarity of the vocal part (and sub-titles) in this version are great enhancements. I had missed a lot before, and lyrics are usually my primary concern.

ewmayer 2020-03-31 22:54

Couple of sobering dispatches from the US front lines by doctors in this mini-discussion [url=https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/03/200pm-water-cooler-3-31-2020.html#comment-3330809]over on NC today[/url]. The main one is aimed at fellow MDs:
[quote][b]JTMcPhee March 31, 2020 at 3:27 pm
[/b]
I offer this for the edification of “herd immunity“ proponents and the disconcertion of the rest of us, from an ER doctor in New Orleans...[/quote]

Dr Sardonicus 2020-03-31 23:42

[QUOTE=ewmayer;541434]Couple of sobering dispatches from the US front lines by doctors in this mini-discussion [url=https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/03/200pm-water-cooler-3-31-2020.html#comment-3330809]over on NC today[/url]. The main one is aimed at fellow MDs:[quote]JTMcPhee March 31, 2020 at 3:27 pm

I offer this for the edification of “herd immunity“ proponents and the disconcertion of the rest of us, from an ER doctor in New Orleans...[/quote][/QUOTE]
Couple of things got my attention.

Desperate times...
[quote]I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won't make it back.[/quote]Plaquenil is Hydroxychloroquine, which [i]Il Duce[/i] had touted as a "magic drug" for COVID-19.
[quote]Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn't appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil's potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.[/quote]<google google>

QT prolongation is a measure of delayed ventricular repolarisation, which means the heart muscle takes longer than normal to recharge between beats.

a1call 2020-04-01 01:27

[QUOTE]

RED CROSS BEGINS REGISTRATION FOR COVID-19 PLASMA DONORS
[/QUOTE]
[url]https://6abc.com/amp/coronavirus-red-cross-plasma-blood/6066673/[/url]

kriesel 2020-04-01 01:31

The coronavirus epidemic curve is already flattening in NYC
 
[url]https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=286116065002001089067001070104019097023057071055063005125107116022119096005084097014107106052111061028034094090105065016103028102070004033004122012012089084076084035046073089116082112082022100025002103112117093103025099120012067066079103127084031&EXT=pdf[/url]

kriesel 2020-04-01 02:04

Tonight's numbers:
[url]https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6[/url] is failing to retrieve currently

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url]
global: 858371 cases, 42146 deaths, 1777931 recovered, 605396 active cases of which 5% are serious or critical
USA: 188530 cases, 3889 deaths, 7251 recovered, 177390 active of which 4576 are serious or critical; 12 deaths/million population

kriesel 2020-04-01 08:09

Video of Chinese collapsed on the street. [URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/corpses-and-people-collapsing-to-the-ground-spotted-in-many-locations_3290541.html[/URL]
Chinese undercounting alleged [url]https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/03/30/reports-virus-death-toll-in-wuhan-over-10x-chinas-official-number[/url]

Uncwilly 2020-04-01 13:47

[QUOTE=kriesel;541460]Video of Chinese collapsed on the street. [URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/corpses-and-people-collapsing-to-the-ground-spotted-in-many-locations_3290541.html[/URL]
Chinese undercounting alleged [url]https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/03/30/reports-virus-death-toll-in-wuhan-over-10x-chinas-official-number[/url][/QUOTE]
Epoch Times is a biased media source. As is Breirbart.

kriesel 2020-04-01 16:20

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;541477]Epoch Times is a biased media source. As is Breirbart.[/QUOTE]The major American news networks are biased and deliberately misleading sources. This is documented by the party membership of the employees, their donation ratios, (92% left) and accurate fact checking. Examples of deceptive editing or reporting their biased opinion as fact abound. See for example the slanderously edited and incorrectly described footage of the Covington high school students by CNN and others and consequent large settlement of the lawsuit brought by Nick Sandmann against CNN. Their coverage was readily contradicted by obtaining independent videos taken at the scene, and fat-checking statements of Nathan Phillips revealing falsehoods. A high school newspaper could do better.

I learned early how dishonest the media could be. During college I was interviewed for a newspaper, in a left leaning community, and was asked the length of a component that was visible in front of us; the reporter asked if it was 7 feet long, while he had his notepad and pencil out. I immediately stated it was 3 feet long. The article was printed stating 7 feet. It's been a long time, but I don't recall them ever running a correction either. If they'll lie about a number handed them and easily checked, they'll lie about anything. The days of CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS reporting with integrity disappeared with Murrow, Reasoner, Cronkite.

xilman 2020-04-01 16:47

The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine is a prestigious academic instution, comparable in reputation to, say, the Harvard School of Medicine.

This is what they have to say today.

[url]https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/reproduction-number-covid-19-could-be-below-one-uk-lockdown[/url]

If R0 is truly down to 0.62 [B]and can be kept that way[/B] the number of cases should fall dramatically over the next two weeks.

Till 2020-04-01 18:38

[QUOTE=xilman;541497]The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine is a prestigious academic instution, comparable in reputation to, say, the Harvard School of Medicine.

This is what they have to say today.

[URL]https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/reproduction-number-covid-19-could-be-below-one-uk-lockdown[/URL]

If R0 is truly down to 0.62 [B]and can be kept that way[/B] the number of cases should fall dramatically over the next two weeks.[/QUOTE]


What happened to the statistics from FT you liked to cite before?
It seems they simply create new stats when the old ones don't look that good anymore ;-)

Are the old ones (like death rate starting at day 0 = 10 death) still available somewhere?

kriesel 2020-04-01 19:04

[QUOTE=Till;541516]What happened to the statistics from FT you liked to cite before?
[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest[/url]

Till 2020-04-01 19:22

[QUOTE=kriesel;541520][URL]https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest[/URL][/QUOTE]


I know the page, but they changed the kind of statistics... (e.g. before there was "death per day", now it is "cases per day", with different start conditions)


Good pages try to be "reliable" in the way that you can recall the information they put once, no matter how lateyou try. Here, the previous statistics seem lost.

retina 2020-04-01 19:30

[QUOTE=Till;541523]Here, the previous statistics seem lost.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about either the current, or the past, stats. They are all mostly useless at this point. They will probably improve with time, but we aren't there yet.

Till 2020-04-01 19:37

[QUOTE=retina;541526]Don't worry about either the current, or the past, stats. They are all mostly useless at this point. They will probably improve with time, but we aren't there yet.[/QUOTE]


You are of course right.
My point here is not about what happens with Covid; it is about what happens at the FT; why they hide data they showed before, if that is really the case.

retina 2020-04-01 19:49

[QUOTE=Till;541527]My point here is not about what happens with Covid; it is about what happens at the FT; why they hide data they showed before, if that is really the case.[/QUOTE]Perhaps because they realised the data they had previously shown was useless.

ewmayer 2020-04-01 22:29

[url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/#4f5a963d56d4]I Spent A Day In The Coronavirus-Driven Feeding Frenzy Of N95 Mask Sellers And Buyers And This Is What I Learned[/url] | Forbes
[quote]At one point he received an update that 43 million masks were available in New Jersey, in the same time-frame that federal and state leaders were saying in press conferences that they were “scouring the globe” for masks. But the masks in New Jersey, along with many million more, didn’t go to any domestic buyer. Instead, according to the broker, they were all purchased by foreign buyers.

“Most of the masks are leaving the country,” he told me.

That is not the case in countries that have cracked down on exports, he added, but as of now the U.S. is allowing many types of medical supplies to leave the country even as states and hospital systems are expressing desperate need for masks and other PPE.
...
[b]By the end of the day, roughly 280 million masks from warehouses around the U.S. had been purchased by foreign buyers and were earmarked to leave the country, according to the broker — and that was in one day[/b].[/quote]
A reader vents:
[i]
I do not want to hear one more goddamned story about the “scarcity” of [personal protective equipment] for frontline healthcare workers until this situation is exposed and dealt with. Surround these warehouses with the National Guard or anyone else with guns that you can find, commandeer these supplies and distribute them. We’ll settle up later, just as we’ve promised the workers who are being fired / sent home without pay so we can “flatten the curve.”

This is of a piece with the emphasis on conjuring up trillions of dollars to “save” the financial system as job one in dealing with this “existential” health crisis during which tens of thousands will die. The “market” is not up to this job so fuck it.

You’re either worried about saving lives or “efficient” price discovery–you can’t do both. It’s either an emergency or it’s not. I have heard that 3M is an AMERICAN company based in Minnesota–it’s time to start acting like it. Where the hell are YOU uber-patriot amy klobuchar? Get those people in line–you can put it on your resume for next time.

If I hear the words “moral hazard” one more time wrt to what’s going on right now I’m gonna puke.[/i]

o On a lighter note:

[url]https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pathogen_resistance.png[/url]

Sure, but they have enough sauce and parmesan to go along with that?

Uncwilly 2020-04-01 22:33

[QUOTE=kriesel;541495]The major American news networks are biased [/QUOTE]IF that is so, it has nothing to do with what I posted. Are you disputing what I said, or just pretending to have a rebuttal so you can seem to win an argument?

kriesel 2020-04-01 22:58

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;541548]IF that is so, it has nothing to do with what I posted. Are you disputing what I said, or just pretending to have a rebuttal so you can seem to win an argument?[/QUOTE]
I feel you are mistaken about WHICH media are biased, or relative magnitudes of bias.

ewmayer 2020-04-01 23:50

All this biased-or-not bickering is pointless - I keep saying, try to stick to data-driven and link-supported argumentation as much as possible. That includes the due diligence of occasionally following reports from known-to-have-an-ax-to-grind sources back to whence they drew their material.

For example, the Breitbart article notes the anti-communist bias of [i]Epoch Times[/i], but further notes one of its key sources is Caixin:
[quote]Citing funeral home directors and eyewitnesses, multiple reports suggest that the number of urns collected was far larger than that possible if Beijing had accurately reported the number of cases. The Epoch Times, an anti-communist newspaper that has documented skepticism of official government figures from within Wuhan since the onset of the pandemic, estimated over 32,000 deaths attributable to Chinese coronavirus in Wuhan in a report Sunday. The newspaper noted that the urns collected this weekend had amassed between January 23, when the lockdown began, to March 23, when families were first allowed to begin retrieving them.

[b]Citing sources in various Wuhan funeral homes and reports from other outlets such as the independent Chinese media outlet Caixin[/b], the Epoch Times concluded that Wuhan’s seven funeral homes possessed 40,000 urns, each urn containing the remains of one person, during the lockdown, suggesting that 40,000 people died in the city during that time. Discounting the average number of deaths a day in Wuhan in 2018, the latest year for which public statistics are available, the newspaper concluded that at least 32,140 people have died of Chinese coronavirus in Wuhan.[/quote]
So it would be far more useful to maybe peruse recent Caixin articles and post relevant ones here, instead of bitching about "your media source is way more biased than mine". Known-biased sources nonetheless often prove correct on a given subject, but the bias makes it imperative to seek independent confirmation.

Any further pure-bickering posts are gonna get memory-holed - links and representative-sample quotes, that's what we want.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-04-02 00:02

Gleaned from the [url=https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-april-1-a69117]Moscow Times[/url]:

03/31/20 Russia confirmed 500 new coronavirus infections total 2,337
04/01/20 Russia confirmed 440 new coronavirus infections total 2,777.

VBCurtis 2020-04-02 02:41

[QUOTE=ewmayer;541558]Any further pure-bickering posts are gonna get memory-holed - links and representative-sample quotes, that's what we want.[/QUOTE]

:tu:

This thread is useful, despite the whinging of some posters, because of the well-sourced and fact-based discussion.

R. Gerbicz 2020-04-02 09:27

[url]https://medium.com/@dinber19/more-with-less-using-pooling-to-detect-coronavirus-with-fewer-tests-8ba1a2cd8b67[/url]
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.26.20039438v1[/url]

Pretty trivial, I guessed the method after I have first read only the lead of a similar article in Hungarian that we could easily test ten millions in a few days and the number 64.

ATH 2020-04-02 16:44

[url]https://electricliterature.com/ted-chiang-explains-the-disaster-novel-we-all-suddenly-live-in/[/url]

[QUOTE]TC: While there has been plenty of fiction written about pandemics, I think the biggest difference between those scenarios and our reality is how poorly our government has handled it. If your goal is to dramatize the threat posed by an unknown virus, there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, because that minimizes the threat; it leads the reader to conclude that the virus wouldn’t be dangerous if competent people were on the job. A pandemic story like that would be similar to what’s known as an “idiot plot,” a plot that would be resolved very quickly if your protagonist weren’t an idiot. What we’re living through is only partly a disaster novel; it’s also—and perhaps mostly—a grotesque political satire.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

ewmayer 2020-04-02 22:58

[url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-52122817]Coronavirus: Artania cruise ship stand-off continues in Australia[/url] | BBC

A reader from Oz [url=https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/04/links-4-2-2020.html#comment-3332052]comments[/url]:
[quote] There is a whole story behind this simple article. The Artania is docked in Fremantle in Western Australia and I believe that there are at least two other liners parked off the coastline wanting to come in. Meanwhile, off Sydney, there are nine other ocean liners that have a combined crew and passenger count of about 8,500 people. Altogether there are 21 ships carrying tens of thousands of people around the entire Australian coastline wanting to come in. The reason why they are there is simple. Their owners, like Carnival, want Australia to deal with all those people and treat all their sick for them for free so that at most they are only up for docking fees.

But it can’t be done. If attempted, the numbers would overwhelm our health system with sheer numbers but these ships refuse to go to their home ports. A spokesmen for Carnival said “It is bitterly disappointing that short term responses have put an industry, jobs and people at risk” but it is not that simple. It is trying to make their problems somebody else’s problem which is why they ordered their ships to sail to Australia. In fact these cruise line companies have also been lying by saying that they have no sick aboard when in fact they have hundreds. The Police have just visited one liner in full bio-hazard gear to find out what the actual situation is aboard.

If this sounds hard, it is a common feeling here because of something that happened a fortnight ago. A ship called the Ruby Princess was allowed to dock in Sydney and apparently they told NSW health they had no sick aboard and so 2,700 passengers were allowed to disembark. These people scattered to all around Australia as well as overseas and they took infection with them. More than 400 Coronavirus cases – 10% of Australia’s total – came from the Ruby Princess cruise ship and they have caused Coronavirus hot-spots in places like airports, South Australia, Customs officers, etc. and they are still trying to deal with that mess. They had to bring soldiers in as tracers due to the numbers involved. It was a massive c***-up. I believe that the US too is experiencing this problem and they ordered one ocean liner away. When this is all over, I think that countries are going to be visiting these cruise line companies and their relation to laws as they see to think that they are a law unto themselves.[/quote]
In more-personal news, gonna start wearing one of those thin fabric earloop masks on my outside walks - expect CA will mandate this in next few days. Should allow me still breathe more or less freely, unlike the heavier-duty N95 ones. What a year...

chalsall 2020-04-02 23:22

Barbados is now under mandatory 24/7/2 lockdown.
 
As of this evening, Barbados is on a mandatory 24/7 lockdown for two weeks.

People are bitching because alcohol sales have been forbidden, so the Rum Shops are closed... Sigh...

PhilF 2020-04-02 23:27

[QUOTE=chalsall;541640]People are bitching because alcohol sales have been forbidden, so the Rum Shops are closed... Sigh...[/QUOTE]

They tried that here in some places in the USA by closing liquor stores, but had to back off. Most are now open again. The pot shops are open too.

Dr Sardonicus 2020-04-03 00:12

[QUOTE=chalsall;541640]As of this evening, Barbados is on a mandatory 24/7 lockdown for two weeks.

People are bitching because alcohol sales have been forbidden, so the Rum Shops are closed... Sigh...[/QUOTE]
So, how long [strike]will[/strike] did it take for the first home still to start producing hooch?

chalsall 2020-04-03 00:32

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;541643]So, how long [strike]will[/strike] did it take for the first home still to start producing hooch?[/QUOTE]

Actually, our neighbour gave us a couple of bottles of his home made wine this morning "to try out". It's probably going to be horribly sweet, but I suspect his production is going to sky-rocket!

PhilF 2020-04-03 00:46

[QUOTE=chalsall;541644]but I suspect his production is going to sky-rocket![/QUOTE]

Not to mention yours... :smile:

kriesel 2020-04-03 03:58

Unwelcome milestones: 1M and 50K
 
Tonight's numbers:
globally: 1015709 cases, 53069 deaths, 211409 recovered
CFR1 = 53069 / (53069+211409) = 0.2007 = 20.07%
CFR2 = 53069 / 1015709 = 0.0522 = 5.22%
USA: 246213 cases, 5133 deaths, 9090 recovered
CFR1 = 5133/(5133+9090) = 0.361 = 36.1%
CFR2 = 5133 / 246213 = 0.0208 = 2.08%
[URL]https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6[/URL] is failing to retrieve currently

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]
global: 1015728 cases, 53202 deaths, 212991 recovered, 749535 active cases of which 5% are serious or critical
USA: 245088 cases, 6075 deaths, 10403 recovered, 228610 active of which 5421 are serious or critical; 18 deaths/million population

Too many locales are still climbing at a brisk exponential rate.

LaurV 2020-04-03 09:08

[QUOTE=chalsall;541640]People are bitching because alcohol sales have been forbidden, so the Rum Shops are closed... Sigh...[/QUOTE]
When no Pascal, switch to C...

Till 2020-04-03 14:45

I started to observe the corona virus outbreak around Jan. 24, when I read the (infamous) Feigl-Ding tweet mentioned here:
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/01/china-coronavirus-twitter/605644/[/url]

Now some useless numbers (hello retina):
At that point, there were roughly 1000 confirmed cases and 50 deaths. That was around 70 days ago.

Today the world has more than 1.000.000 confirmed cases and 50.000 deaths. If we assume that the growth continues as before, then by Jun. 12 we will have 1.000.000.000 cases and 50m deaths worldwide. These numbers are near to the estimates for the "Spanish flu" from 1918.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu[/url]

Another parallel with the Spanish flu is that the origin of the pandemics is disputed, see [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_the_source[/url]. The german wikipedia page states "Ungeachtet des irreführenden Namens, der auf zeitgenössische Zeitungsmeldungen zurückgeht, gehen die meisten Wissenschaftler heute davon aus, dass die Pandemie ihren Ursprung in den USA hatte" (my translation: despite its misleading name originating from contemporary news reports, today most scientists act on the assumption that the pandemics had its origin in the USA)
[url]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanische_Grippe[/url]

Yet another possible parallel: "To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States"
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu[/url], second paragraph.


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