[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;564566][url=https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-angela-merkel-germany-coronavirus-pandemic-fe1dfe62a7d0f80e847767e0b9ea2f9b]The Latest: Mask mandate spurs Idaho official to push back[/url][/QUOTE]

A couple decades ago when states started passing required helmet laws for motorcyclists a big stink was raised in some state by the motorcyclists using the same freedom blah blah arguments being used today about mask mandates. So a law was passed that if a motorcyclist died in an accident while not wearing a helmet, their life insurance policy would be null and void. I don't know if the law still stands or if it was tossed out.

I have read and seen numerous stories about nurses telling about patients with covid who refuse to believe they are actually suffering from covid. Non mask wearers, no doubt.

How about a law: you don't want to wear a mask, OK but you don't get to clog up a hospital when you become infected.
Of course the logistics are difficult.

It's going to get VERY grippy here in the new-s-a in about 10 days to 2 weeks as the Thanksgiving superspreader event starts to manifest itself and hospitals, which are teetering on the brink now, fall off a cliff.
It;s going to be a bleak Christmas.

[QUOTE=tServo;564573]A couple decades ago when states started passing required helmet laws for motorcyclists a big stink was raised in some state by the motorcyclists using the same freedom blah blah arguments being used today about mask mandates.
<snip>[/QUOTE]Yes, the "I have the right not to wear a helmet while motorcycling" reflects a mindset similar to the "I have right to be reckless about spreading a contagious disease."

This instance is worse IMO in that it has a yahoo-in-office threatening an entire public agency -- a health district -- for trying to do its job. Or I should say, [i]part[/i] of its job. Public health agencies typically deal with much more than trying to control the spread of dangerous diseases -- like making sure people can eat the food prepared by restaurants or outdoor vendors; to buy the food at grocery stores; to stay at motels; or to use other public accommodations and facilities, without getting sick.
[quote]It's going to get VERY grippy here in the new-s-a in about 10 days to 2 weeks as the Thanksgiving superspreader event starts to manifest itself and hospitals, which are teetering on the brink now, fall off a cliff.
It;s going to be a bleak Christmas.[/QUOTE]
The Great Leaver and wife issued a Thanksgiving Proclamation. If memory serves (and of course, my memory isn't as good as it used to be), the Proclamation urged people to gather in large groups indoors for gluttony and/or giving thanks to God for their many blessings. And, if they smell gas, search for the leak with a lit candle.

A long article on present and lasting psychological effects of the current pandemic and responses to it. [url]https://www.thecut.com/2020/11/covid-19-pandemic-kids-mental-health.html[/url]

If you go to Barcelona zoo, stay a couple of meters away from the lions - apparently, 4 of them have Covid (and yes it was a swab test).

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55229433[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nick;565677]If you go to Barcelona zoo, stay a couple of meters away from the lions[/QUOTE]That's a good policy for all apex predators in any event. Or 2 km if they're not well confined.
How far does a lion sneeze or cough travel I wonder.

[QUOTE=kriesel;565695]How far does a lion sneeze or cough travel I wonder.[/QUOTE]
That would depend entirely on whether the lion is adhering to the local face covering regulations.

:rofl: Nice one Brian, welcome back (didn't see you posting for a while).

re: infected animals: The imbecility is going a bit too far, haha.

[QUOTE=Brian-E;565697]That would depend entirely on whether the lion is adhering to the local face covering regulations.[/QUOTE]Good one!

When I was in a grocery store some months back, I pointed to the sign about service dogs and asked the "greeter" if the dogs had to wear masks.

At a recent hearing, Rudy Giuliani asked a witness sitting near him to take off her mask. She declined. Rudy was admitted to MedStar Georgetown University Hospital Sunday, after testing positive (sez the prez) for COVID19 and reportedly exhibiting symptoms. I still don't have good confirmation on the diagnosis, but hospitals don't generally admit patients without a good reason.

[QUOTE=Brian-E;565697]That would depend entirely on whether the lion is adhering to the local face covering regulations.[/QUOTE]
I nominate the hypocritical pols that don't follow their own mandates for the task of enforcing predator mask mandates, and the local predator megafauna for enforcing term limits.

LED lights found to kill coronavirus: Global first in fight against COVID-19
[url]https://aftau.org/news_item/led-lights-found-to-kill-coronavirus-global-first-in-fight-against-covid-19/[/url]

[QUOTE=ATH;566195]LED lights found to kill coronavirus: Global first in fight against COVID-19[/QUOTE]However most of the transmission is during the short time droplets move from one person to another. [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/cdc-updated-its-guidance-on-covid-19-and-surfaces-here-s-what-that-means-for-your-home/ar-BB14RoST"]Surface transmission is not well documented[/URL]. Also, it has been poor ventilation in general. There are already UV systems available for air handling systems.