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rudy235 2019-11-07 05:33

MersenneForum solves the word time keeping problem.
 
How many months of the year have 28 days? Answer 12 . (all months have 28 days) Same thing here.

M344587487 2019-11-07 07:35

In a sane world all 13 months would have exactly 28 days:



[url]https://old.reddit.com/r/IFC/comments/d578dq/the_international_fixed_calendar/[/url]

retina 2019-11-07 08:04

[QUOTE=M344587487;529880]In a sane world all 13 months would have exactly 28 days:



[url]https://old.reddit.com/r/IFC/comments/d578dq/the_international_fixed_calendar/[/url][/QUOTE]In a sane world we wouldn't have months at all. That days can simply be numbered 0 or 1 to 365. Then we could finish all the stupid bickering about the ordering of months and days in written dates, and instead replace it with stupid bickering about the ordering of years and days.

M344587487 2019-11-07 08:57

Taken to the extreme, Stardate 53429.3 is just as dumb as anything else. Most societies have developed a strong need for 7 day week cycles so they have to stay. Common medium term usage especially in business is to talk in quarters and halves, Q1, Q2, H2 etc, so splitting the 52 week year into 4 13 week months probably makes the most sense. I don't recall a specific need to split the year January 1st, it makes more sense to match the 4 months with the 4 seasons lets say March 1st for arguments sake. Keeping Saturday to Sunday weeks for arguments sake I believe today would be 2019-3-70, Saturday the 70th of Autumn 2019.

xilman 2019-11-07 08:59

[QUOTE=M344587487;529880]In a sane world all 13 months would have exactly 28 days:



[url]https://old.reddit.com/r/IFC/comments/d578dq/the_international_fixed_calendar/[/url][/QUOTE]In a sane world we would use milliseconds, seconds, kiloseconds, megaseconds and gigaseconds to measure periods of time at a human time scale.

An hour is 3.6ks, a month is 2.6Ms on average and the biblical three score years and ten comes to 2.2Gs. Mammoths were still wandering around 1Ts ago.

retina 2019-11-07 09:26

[QUOTE=M344587487;529888]Taken to the extreme, Stardate 53429.3 is just as dumb as anything else. Most societies have developed a strong need for 7 day week cycles so they have to stay. Common medium term usage especially in business is to talk in quarters and halves, Q1, Q2, H2 etc, so splitting the 52 week year into 4 13 week months probably makes the most sense. I don't recall a specific need to split the year January 1st, it makes more sense to match the 4 months with the 4 seasons lets say March 1st for arguments sake. Keeping Saturday to Sunday weeks for arguments sake I believe today would be 2019-3-70, Saturday the 70th of Autumn 2019.[/QUOTE]Not everywhere has four seasons. Not everywhere experiences the seasons at the same time. Other places exist.[QUOTE=xilman;529889]In a sane world we would use milliseconds, seconds, kiloseconds, megaseconds and gigaseconds to measure periods of time at a human time scale.[/QUOTE]Makes sense to me.[QUOTE=xilman;529889]An hour is 3.6ks, ...[/QUOTE]Why 3.6ks? Makes no sense to me. Why not 100ks per day? Or 1ks per day?

rudy235 2019-11-07 09:46

[QUOTE=M344587487;529880]In a sane world all 13 months would have exactly 28 days:



[url]https://old.reddit.com/r/IFC/comments/d578dq/the_international_fixed_calendar/[/url][/QUOTE]

That would work only in a regular year. We would still need to correct for the 0.2422 extra days per year. so we would hat to at the very least we would have an extra day 97 times (calendars) every 400 years. So it could be more complicated. (The extra days)

xilman 2019-11-07 10:31

[QUOTE=xilman;529889]In a sane world we would use milliseconds, seconds, kiloseconds, megaseconds and gigaseconds to measure periods of time at a human time scale[/QUOTE]Actually, that's pretty close to what astronomers do all the time, except their unit is 86.4ks precisely.

For instance, when I submitted some observations of AE And (a variable star in the M31 galaxy) to the BAA-VSS, this what was fed into their database:

[C]File Format CCD/DSLR V2.02
Observation Method CCD
Variable AE And
Chart ID AAVSO X23789TG
Observer Code PCL
Location 28 38 30N 17 52 04W H760m
Telescope 0.4m Relay Cassegrain
Camera SBIG-8XE
Magnitude type Instrumental
Photometry software APT 2.7.8
Analysis software APT2VSS 1.0.6 beta
Comment Apertures: 7.12 x 8.55 at 0.00 degrees, sky inner 15.67, sky outer 22.79

JulianDate Filter VarAbsMag VarAbsErr VarMag VarErr ExpLen FileName CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStar RefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr CmpStarRefMag RefErr CMMag CmpErr
2458532.412743 V 16.7651 0.2610 16.6543 0.2590 935.00 /home/pcl/Astro/VS/AE_And/2019-02-17/coadd.fits 126 12.63600.0400 12.4763 0.0330 133 13.2910 0.0340 13.1170 0.0342 136 13.5520 0.0370 13.4461 0.0347 143 14.3100 0.0560 14.2391 0.0425 148 14.8010 0.0360 14.6334 0.0513 154 15.4090 0.0380 15.4154 0.0921 159 15.8590 0.0640 15.80170.1324 164 16.3500 0.1190 16.7678 0.2968
2458536.366181 V 17.4171 0.0907 15.5685 0.0897 840.00 coadd.fits 126 12.6360 0.0400 10.7543 0.0134 133 13.2910 0.0340 11.4335 0.0136 136 13.5520 0.0370 11.7009 0.0138 143 14.3100 0.0560 12.4709 0.0145 148 14.80100.0360 12.9331 0.0165 154 15.4090 0.0380 13.5966 0.0211 159 15.8590 0.0640 13.9835 0.0279 164 16.3500 0.1190 14.6284 0.0399[/C]
Note the time of observation is given to μday precision.

xilman 2019-11-07 10:32

[QUOTE=retina;529890]Not everywhere has four seasons. Not everywhere experiences the seasons at the same time. Other places exist.Makes sense to me.Why 3.6ks? Makes no sense to me. Why not 100ks per day? Or 1ks per day?[/QUOTE]I made no comment about what a day [i]should[/i] be, only what it [i]is[/i].

retina 2019-11-07 10:36

[QUOTE=xilman;529895]I made no comment about what a day [i]should[/i] be, only what it [i]is[/i].[/QUOTE]I'm aware of that. So do you have an answer to the question?

xilman 2019-11-07 10:46

[QUOTE=retina;529896]I'm aware of that. So do you have an answer to the question?[/QUOTE]No, I do not have an answer because the question is based on an unwarranted assumption.

Your question presupposes that units other than SI multiples of seconds are required and/or desirable. I thought my post had already established in a sane world only units of ..., ms, s, ks, Ms, Gs, ... would be used. Perhaps I wasn't explicit enough.


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