[QUOTE=kriesel;544367]Noncitizens of the US ought not be voting, except in the elections of countries they're citizens of.[/QUOTE]Assuming that is possible. UK citizens living abroad for most of the year do not, by and large, get a vote in most UK elections.

Curiously, because SWMBO and I jointly own property in Spain, we do have the right to vote in La Palma local elections. Well, I assume so. Voting papers have arrived in our mailbox but we do not think it right that furriners with only part-time residency should be taking part on equal terms with Spanish citizens.

[QUOTE=kriesel;544367]With the current makeup of the Constitution, I am confident the Appeals court ruling ought be promptly overturned, with nationwide applicability. Noncitizens of the US ought not be voting, except in the elections of countries they're citizens of.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you read the [url=https://www.courtlistener.com/pdf/2020/04/29/fish_v._schwab.pdf]Appeals Court Opinion[/url]. The Kansas State Secretary of State's argument was thoroughly rubbished in the lower courts. They even wound up being contradicted by their [i]own experts[/i]. If ever there was a case of government inventing a solution in search of a problem, Kansas requiring documentary proof of citizenship in order to guard against [strike]non-Republicans casting votes[/strike] voter fraud is it.

I propose that, in the proud tradition of the movie "[i]Sergeants 3[/i]," any debates between the (as of yet only presumptive) Republican and Democratic candidates for President of the United States be entitled "[b]Predators 2[/b]." Imagine the lively give-and-take:
[indent][b]Q:[/b] Mr. President, what about all the women who've made those sexual allegations against you?

[b]A:[/b] I'll sue those b:censored:s! Just like I said I would four years ago! Besides, they were asking for it! I'm a celebrity! I can grab their p:censored:s any time I want!

[b]Q:[/b] Mr. Vice-President? Same Question.

[b]A:[/b] You can go through everything in the National Archives. You won't find any complaints filed. Just stay away from my Senate records in the University of Delaware archives! That assault never, ever happened. At least, I have no memory of it. But then, I've gone senile, remember?[/indent]
Yes indeed, folks, these debates should be real barn-burners!

:popcorn:

:rolleyes::ermm:

[QUOTE=xilman;544372]Assuming that is possible. UK citizens living abroad for most of the year do not, by and large, get a vote in most UK elections.

Curiously, because SWMBO and I jointly own property in Spain, we do have the right to vote in La Palma local elections. Well, I assume so. Voting papers have arrived in our mailbox but we do not think it right that furriners with only part-time residency should be taking part on equal terms with Spanish citizens.[/QUOTE]

Trust you Brits to not understand "no taxation without representation" :razz:
In most EU countries it's actually quite simple and logical. There are three types of elections.
1) National and state/regional elections and referenda - only citizens get to vote.
2) EU elections - All EU citizens get to vote.
3) Local elections - All residents get to vote.

I think 3 makes logical sense. If you live somewhere and pay taxes you do have a stake in how the city/commune is run. So you should have a say in your local council.

[QUOTE=garo;544532]Trust you Brits to not understand "no taxation without representation"[/QUOTE]As an employee of a US multinational I paid US taxes for some years. I don't remember ever being allowed to vote in any US election.

[QUOTE=xilman;544537]As an employee of a US multinational I paid US taxes for some years. I don't remember ever being allowed to vote in any US election.[/QUOTE]
And, I presume, you were paying taxes to your country of residence as well?

I've paid taxes in nearly every country I've been to.

Sales tax at various shops.
Airport tax to fly.
Tourist tax at hotels.
etc.

There is no way I'd ever be able to vote because of those taxes.

[QUOTE=xilman;544537]As an employee of a US multinational I paid US taxes for some years. I don't remember ever being allowed to vote in any US election.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you paid taxes so your employer wouldn't have to. US multinationals have lobbyists in D.C. That's [i]way[/i] better than being able to vote
:-D

[QUOTE=xilman;544537]As an employee of a US multinational I paid US taxes for some years. I don't remember ever being allowed to vote in any US election.[/QUOTE]

Touche. Likewise. So allowing you to vote in local council election is small attempt at taxation with representation. Don't complain about the extra rights you get.

[QUOTE=garo;544578]Touche. Likewise. So allowing you to vote in local council election is small attempt at taxation with representation. Don't complain about the extra rights you get.[/QUOTE]I'm not complaining. I explicitly stated that I chose not to vote even though given the opportunity to do so..