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henryzz 2019-02-25 12:37

Would it be feasible to put working innards from one phone with a broken screen into a broken or locked phone with a working screen?

ewmayer 2019-02-25 20:59

[QUOTE=M344587487;509397]The lack of a back makes the third one less appealing for normal buyers, I'd try $25 as a somewhat fair bargain. You get three attempts to make offers and how it normally works is you meet in the middle or the seller refuses the offer and you creep up. The seller can also set a minimum offer that isn't automatically rejected if they're not interested in playing the game. I wouldn't feel guilty about lowballing, as a seller I find it amusing when someone does it to me.[/QUOTE]

Moot for #3 - see below. :)

OK, heard back from the 3 sellers of the items decribed in post :

[1] Yes needs Google password to hard restart

[2] Get into OS? Yes, as I was able to restore to original condition.
Damage limited to display? Yes, CPR shop said cause was motherboard failure.'
Touch still work? Yes, for the whole screen, as you can rotate the unit which I had to do to get to the system and reset.

[3] do you read description ? Its lcd , not phone

So #2 still in play, but with nearly 2 days left the I-must-bid-early-and-often-to-validate-my-existence weenies are busily bidding the price up, now up to ~$40 incl. shipping.

Meryl, how do the total-throughput prospects for the S8 and S9 compare to S7? And do you expect those hitting the resale market in volume to cause used-S7 prices to plummet? If so, might be worth to wait a few months and see.

M344587487 2019-02-25 22:41

[QUOTE=ewmayer;509436]...
[3] do you read description ? Its lcd , not phone[/QUOTE]How does that moron have 99% feedback? They have pictures of the entire device and the only thing that indicates it's the LCD only could be interpreted as poor grammar, which it will be because it's the internet.


[QUOTE=ewmayer;509436]...
Meryl, how do the total-throughput prospects for the S8 and S9 compare to S7? And do you expect those hitting the resale market in volume to cause used-S7 prices to plummet? If so, might be worth to wait a few months and see.[/QUOTE]

I'm expecting ~30% efficiency improvement from 14nm to 10nm but that's purely conservative speculation, node naming is more art than science and there's also node and cluster changes between S8 and S9. Throughput I guess would correlate with efficiency, it's unlikely they'd change the thermal targets drastically. I'm expecting the S8 and S9 prices to drop the most in the coming months, the S7 doesn't have far to go before it encroaches on the space the S6 takes up. The S6 is a stalwart, I'm not convinced its price is going to budge much. Still on the lookout for bargain S7's but really I'm waiting for an S8 or S9 at the right price. It's worth noting that only Exynos has been benched, no Snapdragon as yet which is what you'd likely receive. Snapdragon has the reputation of being stronger than Exynos but that could simply be down to stronger single threaded performance making it quicker for most normal tasks. It'll be interesting to see how it stacks up.

kriesel 2019-02-25 23:19

[QUOTE=M344587487;509440]
I'm expecting ~30% efficiency improvement from 14nm to 10nm but that's purely conservative speculation, node naming is more art than science and there's also node and cluster changes between S8 and S9. Throughput I guess would correlate with efficiency, it's unlikely they'd change the thermal targets drastically. I'm expecting the S8 and S9 prices to drop the most in the coming months, the S7 doesn't have far to go before it encroaches on the space the S6 takes up. The S6 is a stalwart, I'm not convinced its price is going to budge much. Still on the lookout for bargain S7's but really I'm waiting for an S8 or S9 at the right price. It's worth noting that only Exynos has been benched, no Snapdragon as yet which is what you'd likely receive. Snapdragon has the reputation of being stronger than Exynos but that could simply be down to stronger single threaded performance making it quicker for most normal tasks. It'll be interesting to see how it stacks up.[/QUOTE]
How would a J7 compare? [url]https://www.gsm-specs.com/specifications/samsung-galaxy-j7-sky-pro/[/url] can be had for $40 reconditioned

M344587487 2019-02-26 10:51

[QUOTE=kriesel;509442]How would a J7 compare? [URL]https://www.gsm-specs.com/specifications/samsung-galaxy-j7-sky-pro/[/URL] can be had for $40 reconditioned[/QUOTE]
Snapdragon 625, 4xA53 4xA53 on 14nm. Should be worse throughput and efficiency than the Exynos S7 by some unknown margin, your guess is as good as mine what the margin is but hopefully it's not too much. Be careful that what you're looking at is a J7 with a 625, knowing Samsung there's probably half a dozen J7 models going back years.

ldesnogu 2019-02-27 10:15

[QUOTE=ewmayer;509436]Meryl, how do the total-throughput prospects for the S8 and S9 compare to S7?[/QUOTE]
S9 at least has two different SoC: a version with Samsung Exynos and a version with Qualcomm Snapdragon. The Snapdragon version is much more efficient according to Anandtech, though I can't say if that'd apply to the specific profile of Mlucas.



IIRC in the US you get the Qualcomm variant only, but it's worth double-checking :smile:

ewmayer 2019-02-27 21:31

[QUOTE=ewmayer;509299][2] [url=https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Edge-For-Parts/292972691831?epid=1078096493&hash=item4436888177:g:FCoAAOSwSjpcbXW-:rk:9:pf:0]Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge For Parts 607376307780[/url]
Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge For Parts. Condition is Used. Screen right half went blank suddenly about two weeks ago. Unit had no damage before then. Took to CPR shop and they diagnosed as motherboard failure (and no charge for diagnosing!). They tried a new screen, which accounts for the marks on the back of the unit. Called Samsung and was told repair would be $70.31, so I sent it in. Less than a week later an email says repair will be $502.23!!! Ridiculous! The phone was working fine before this failure. Motherboards are available here and there is a good youtube on the repair but I am not that good. This will ship in the original box with charger and cable and the protector I had on it. Purchased directly from Samsung as unlocked. Model #SMG930UZKAX. I'm waiting on a response from Samsung re refunding the repair charge but not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]

This was the only one of the 3 items I linked to a few days ago worth looking more closely at - considered bidding, but I want to watch a few more of these to get a better sense for pricepoints. The above ended up selling for $50, including shipping, so I will consider that as the maximum price worth paying for a marginally-functional-for-setting-up-rooting used-S7-for-parts.

Mark Rose 2019-02-27 22:08

I'm surprised they're worth so much.

ewmayer 2019-02-27 23:33

[QUOTE=Mark Rose;509636]I'm surprised they're worth so much.[/QUOTE]

I think it's that key frequently-replacing-needing little parts cost an arm and a leg to buy standalone, relatively speaking. So if one can, without excessive labor, extract a dozen $10-value replacement parts from cannibalizing a broke-o-phone like this, it's well worth $50.

kriesel 2019-02-28 00:16

[QUOTE=ewmayer;509641]I think it's that key frequently-replacing-needing little parts cost an arm and a leg to buy standalone, relatively speaking. So if one can, without excessive labor, extract a dozen $10-value replacement parts from cannibalizing a broke-o-phone like this, it's well worth $50.[/QUOTE]
Really, consumer goods pricing can be way out of whack sometimes. I bought a new inexpensive printer recently, on sale for about half sticker price. That was less than the cost of the ink cartridges in the box. I think they're way overcharging for the cartridges; they are slender little things.

ewmayer 2019-02-28 06:49

[QUOTE=kriesel;509643]Really, consumer goods pricing can be way out of whack sometimes. I bought a new inexpensive printer recently, on sale for about half sticker price. That was less than the cost of the ink cartridges in the box. I think they're way overcharging for the cartridges; they are slender little things.[/QUOTE]

Actually, that's all by design - they know ya can't use the printer sans cartridges, so they basically give away the former and then gouge the crap out of you on the latter, they're even working hard to keep people from refilling the things. And since you're using their software to manage the gear, there's another oppo for rent extraction - HP got busted a few years back for programming their printer diagnostics so as to signal "empty" when there was still plenty of ink left in the cartridges. This business model has metastasized into the whole "you don't have the right to repair it, even though you bought it" industry. Right-to-repair laws are only slowly catching up.


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