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science_man_88 2018-03-18 00:32

[QUOTE=a1call;482656]It depends on language and even race.

My Russian grandmother could not pronounce "H" and would pronounce the words containing it as "kh".

A South American friend could not pronounce the sound of "kh" no matter how hard she tried.

Arabic does not have the letter equivalent of "P" or "JH" which is why after the Arab conquest of Persia most of the "P" containing Persian words were pronounced with "F" instead such as "Parsi" to "Farsi".

English does not have the pronunciations for "JH", "KH", "GH"

There is an South-African letter/sound that is made by clicking the tongue from the roof of the mouth which is absent in every other known language.

There are sounds that can be made by human phonics which is not present in any known language. You can make one such a sound by pronouncing "N" by touching your upper lip by your tongue. It will sound a letter in between "N" and "M"

I think old voice synthesizers had 256 phonics which was sufficient but sounded robot-like.

In German there are about 2500 Diphones
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_synthesis#Diphone_synthesis[/URL]

[URL]https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/how-many-words-are-there-in-the-english-language[/URL]

Inevitably some are Multinyms.

[URL]http://people.sc.fsu.edu/~jburkardt/fun/wordplay/multinyms.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWDKsHm6gTA&app=desktop[/url]

chalsall 2018-03-18 00:36

[QUOTE=xilman;482641]Two nations divided by a common language.[/QUOTE]

My girlfriend is English/Bajan. Her business partner is American/Bajan. I'm Canadian/English/Bajan. Oh, the joys of misinterpretation that can involve! :wink:

My girlfriend is in a meeting, and needs some information which she doesn't have on hand, so she calls her partner and says "can you please look in my purse, it's there.

Her partner looks through her purse, and doesn't find the information. My girlfriend comes back from the meeting and looks in her wallet, and finds the information needed.

TL;DR: To English women, their purse is their wallet. What North Americans' would call a purse is instead their handbag.

CRGreathouse 2018-03-18 00:53

[QUOTE=science_man_88;482651]How many sounds can a human voice make ... ?[/QUOTE]

As a quick estimate, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoneme#Numbers_of_phonemes_in_different_languages]Wikipedia[/url] has:
The total phonemic inventory in languages varies from as few as 11 in Rotokas and Pirahã to as many as 141 in !Xũ.

I would argue that phonemes is what you want to measure here; although, for example, the L sound in "pool" [url=https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~krussll/phonetics/narrower/dark-l.html]is different[/url] from the L sound in "leaf", they're close enough to be lumped together, and that lumped-together group is called a phoneme. These vary quite a lot across languages, of course, and are a large part of what give languages their phonetic character.

CRGreathouse 2018-03-18 01:04

[QUOTE=Dubslow;482648]The proto-germanic word for "to have" sounds almost exactly the same as the word with the same meaning in Latin, but they come from [i]very[/i] different proto-Indo-European roots.

Let us all re-emphasize: "sounding similar (or the same)" is [i]not[/i] how one concludes that two words (or languages) are related.[/QUOTE]

:goodposting:

Let me just leave this here; it can't replace a good textbook but it looks like a good overview:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_method_(linguistics[/url])

a1call 2018-03-18 01:12

:smile:[QUOTE=CRGreathouse;482660]:goodposting:

Let me just leave this here; it can't replace a good textbook but it looks like a good overview:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_method_(linguistics[/url])[/QUOTE]

Strange URL:
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_method_(linguistics)[/url])


The board parser had real difficulty with it.:smile:

ETA: Noted, thank you.

a1call 2018-03-18 01:54

This is an interesting article about Click-Consonant, with voice recordings. There is a lot more to it than I thought::smile:

[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_consonant[/url]

a1call 2018-03-18 03:41

I can't decipher the f like letter in this writing used instead of s along with s and f.

Such as "who loft his life".

The only thing I can figure is that it is the typeface of s when used in the middle of a word, but then again there is the word Husband in the same text.

I also don't understand the rules for capital letters used.

[url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Cook_memorial.jpg[/url]


Wiktionary is no help:

[url]https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lost[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_Latin_alphabet[/url]

Any clues?

Thanks in advance.

CRGreathouse 2018-03-18 06:48

This is called a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s]long s[/url], an alternate form of the letter "s"; the general rule is that the form "s" was used at the ends of words and "ſ" at the beginning and in the middle. It was very common in the 1700s and rare past the early 1800s.

CRGreathouse 2018-03-18 07:00

[QUOTE=a1call;482668]The only thing I can figure is that it is the typeface of s when used in the middle of a word, but then again there is the word Husband in the same text.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, you pretty much figured it out. Generally compound words are treated as separate words for the purpose of long s, and I think husband is being treated this way as well (although certainly today it would not be considered a compound).

[QUOTE=a1call;482668]I also don't understand the rules for capital letters used.[/QUOTE]

As in German, the nouns were capitalized.

xilman 2018-03-18 07:19

[QUOTE=a1call;482656]English does not have the pronunciations for "JH", "KH", "GH"[/QUOTE]It's richt bricht nicht the nicht at Loch Ness.

Much the same could be said about the conditions at Lough Neagh

Please don't tell an English man how to pronounce English.

a1call 2018-03-18 07:46

Thank you CRGreathouse,

Looks like you are [URL="http://www.websters1913.com/words/Profuse"]profuse[/URL] in more than just mathematics and programming.

Now if you could only learn how to use Pari-GP.:smile:


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