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ET_ 2018-01-29 13:32

Somebody stepped on my feet...
 
I had reach to an old PC, and I decided to choose worktype 1 - Trial factoring to low limits. I was then assigned 100 exponents on the range of 216,xxx,xxx from 68 to 69 bits through primenet on the PC named CS50X-C9.

After some days of worling, I had to leave my PC unattended, and as always happens on those cases, the PC stopped working.
20 days after, I came back and turned the PC back on, but the long list of TF exponents I had reserved were all taken to 70 bits by user Yxinity using the manual reserveation page.

How could that happen? Now I reverted to ECM on small numbers on such PC, but I keep wondering why I lost the 100 exponents I had reserved.

Mark Rose 2018-01-29 17:55

Yxinity commonly poaches TF work without getting assignments.

ET_ 2018-01-30 09:29

[QUOTE=Mark Rose;478729]Yxinity commonly poaches TF work without getting assignments.[/QUOTE]

Good to know... I will grab less exponents next time :smile:

kriesel 2018-02-03 01:03

[QUOTE=ET_;478779]Good to know... I will grab less exponents next time :smile:[/QUOTE]
GPUs are so much better at trial factoring than cpus, you didn't lose much anyway. Consider putting the old box on double-checking. The slower the box, the higher "category" you'll want so they don't expire or get unreserved before completion. The thresholds shift over time; determine the box's speed and plan accordingly. [URL]https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/[/URL]

ET_ 2018-02-03 10:26

[QUOTE=kriesel;479145]GPUs are so much better at trial factoring than cpus, you didn't lose much anyway. Consider putting the old box on double-checking. The slower the box, the higher "category" you'll want so they don't expire or get unreserved before completion. The thresholds shift over time; determine the box's speed and plan accordingly. [URL]https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/[/URL][/QUOTE]

You are completely right, but I have no box to use with my GTX 980, my TF position on the stats is lowering, my cloud server slice of power is 10%, and trial-factoring to low limits is the best I can assign to it, followed by PRP double-check on Mersenne cofactors. :smile:

In other words, when I have a slow machine, I prefer it doing ALL of the possible slow kind of works instead of just one.

Miszka 2018-04-29 12:31

Yxinity also causes me problems. It acts very chaotically, unpredictably.

KEP 2018-07-15 11:15

Well does anyone knows why Yxinity does this toestepping? When he poach work, do I still get credit for work done or is the derived "not needed" equal to 0 credit?

ixfd64 2018-07-15 15:37

For some reason, the server doesn't accept duplicate TF results. However, you can ask George to manually credit you. Keep in mind that it may be a while before you get a response.

KEP 2018-07-15 18:26

[QUOTE=ixfd64;491859]For some reason, the server doesn't accept duplicate TF results. However, you can ask George to manually credit you. Keep in mind that it may be a while before you get a response.[/QUOTE]

Well I think Georges time is better spent on developing AVX-512 however I just don´t get it since I was and still am making huge progress on my range - that Yxinity feels like he/she has to do work that I have already reserved. There is litterally billions of GHz days worth of work remaining and what I had reserved was actually in no way in risk of stalling the completion of the 68 bit TF range for first time LL/PRP candidates - so maybe it is time that the original reserver (even if he/she uploads a result after the poacher) is the one that get the credit while the poacher loose out on the credit :smile:

Mark Rose 2018-07-16 15:34

In my experience, Yxinity poaches work from nearly done ranges. If you decide to take a batch of exponents up a bit level, I'd submit all your work all at once.

KEP 2018-07-16 18:15

[QUOTE=Mark Rose;491914]In my experience, Yxinity poaches work from nearly done ranges. If you decide to take a batch of exponents up a bit level, I'd submit all your work all at once.[/QUOTE]

Well I did plan to take them up 4 bits, but now I´m changing the strategy and goes up 1 bit and then switch to pure PRP testing - however I do not have time or desire to have to micromanage any projects at all, so even when I get my new system build, I would really like to take up a month wort of work without having to keep eye for poachers :smile: ... but thanks for the advice, it at least gives me a lead to a poachfree strategy :smile:


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