[QUOTE=kladner;497606].....
This 'alert' creeped me out Big Time, and still does. It is a display of power, and an implied threat.[/QUOTE]
I got an Amber Alert today in the same format, which only seemed to describe a vehicle.

This alert biz is getting really old, really quickly. :poop:

[QUOTE=kladner;498270]"Interrogation" seems to have been a cover story. This was a torture and hit squad.[/QUOTE]The only question the Saudi Powers that Be wanted Khashoggi to answer (in the affirmative) was, "Won't you [i]please[/i] stop criticizing the regime?" If he'd agreed to do that, they might have let him live.

It is somewhat reminiscent of the situation under English common law with respect to an accused person "standing mute," or refusing to enter a plea to a serious criminal charge. Without the plea, the case could not proceed. So, they tried to "persuade" the accused to enter a plea. The means of persuasion was [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peine_forte_et_dure]Peine forte et dure[/url]. (The link explains why people were willing to endure being tortured to death under these circumstances.)

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;498289]The only question the Saudi Powers that Be wanted Khashoggi to answer (in the affirmative) was, "Won't you [I]please[/I] stop criticizing the regime?" If he'd agreed to do that, they might have let him live.
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Los muertos no hablan*. They got their affirmative answer. Some indications are that they started with beating, but rapidly progressed to cutting off fingers. It seems that he may have been killed so quickly, once they started in on him, that they only took time for "a bit" of torture along the way. The autopsy specialist was cutting him up piecemeal while he was still alive, according to some accounts. The same accounts say it took seven minutes for him to die.

There is no way they would have let him live.

* Literally, "The dead don't speak." A common English equivalent is "Dead men tell no tales."

[url=https://wgntv.com/2018/10/19/saudi-arabia-admits-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-was-killed/]He's dead, Jim[/url][quote]Saudi state-run media is reporting that prosecutors in the kingdom believe Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul in a quarrel.

State media also quotes prosecutors as saying 18 Saudi nationals are being held on suspicion of being involved in the Washington Post columnist’s death.[/quote]
The hit squad has been reported as 15 strong. If it took an additional three to put him down, he must have been one tough hombre.

The Turks have been searching a nearby forest for his remains.

My guess is, the blood went down drains in the consulate, the scene was thoroughly cleaned, and the dismembered body was transported out of the country in a bunch of diplomatic pouches.

Well, now the "Official Story" of the moment is that, "Yes. Khashoggi died in the Consulate. It was in a fist fight with consular officials."
[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/saudi-arabia-confirms-khashoggi-killed-istanbul-consulate-181019221512552.html[/URL]
[QUOTE][URL="https://www.aljazeera.com/topics/country/saudi-arabia.html"]Saudi Arabia[/URL] admitted journalist [URL="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/profile-jamal-khashoggi-saudi-writer-missing-turkey-181007184026645.html"]Jamal Khashoggi[/URL] was killed inside its consulate in the Turkish city of Istanbul, saying he died in brawl but made no mention of where his body is.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/10/19/saudi-government-acknowledges-journalist-jamal-khashaoggi-died-while-in-that-countrys-consulate-in-istanbul/?utm_term=.29b3b6ec43e4[/URL]
[QUOTE]RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — The Saudi government acknowledged early Saturday that journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, saying he died during a fistfight, but the new account may do little to ease international demands for the kingdom to be held accountable.

The announcement, which came in a tweet from the Saudi Foreign Ministry, said that an initial investigation by the government’s general prosecutor found that the Saudi journalist had been in discussions with people inside the consulate when a quarrel broke out and escalated to a fatal fistfight.
[/QUOTE]Hmmm. A fifteen to one "fistfight". A fight that ended in vivisection. He musta been one bad stupid mofo to pick a fight with those odds.[/SNARK]
[QUOTE]My guess is, the blood went down drains in the consulate, the scene was thoroughly cleaned, and the dismembered body was transported out of the country in a bunch of diplomatic pouches.[/QUOTE]
Drains are usually not a good place to dispose of evidence. There are lots of places for clots and bits to lodge, unless the plumbing is glass. On the other hand, the Saudis had over a week to pour chemicals down those drains. However, I suspect these pros did not chance with catchments and pipe joints. One might imagine that they had drop cloths laid out, and other preparations.

However, these shifting stories and blatant lies are basically a big ol' FU finger to anyone who doesn't like it. tRump has already given them carte blanche. Israel probably applauds, unless their spooks consider it just too sloppy in execution.

Everyone else can stick it where the sun don't shine.

[QUOTE=kladner;498339]Drains are usually not a good place to dispose of evidence. There are lots of places for clots and bits to lodge, unless the plumbing is glass. On the other hand, the Saudis had over a week to pour chemicals down those drains. However, I suspect these pros did not chance with catchments and pipe joints. One might imagine that they had drop cloths laid out, and other preparations.[/QUOTE]Oh, I'm sure they [i]did[/i] have drop cloths, etc. But hey -- IIRC the human body has well over a gallon of blood, plus there's interstitial fluid, and the contents of the GI and urinary tracts. I suppose they could have used some sort of absorbent to render the liquids solid, and transported them out with the rest of the remains, though.

OTOH a Consulate is a diplomatic facility. The Saudis could easily have limited where Turkish investigators went poking around. "Sorry guys, you're not going to be snaking out our drains. We just had that done anyway. The guy used lots of lye and bleach, too. Why, you could [i]eat[/i] off the inside of those drains!"
:-D

[QUOTE=ewmayer;498100]<snip>
[url=https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-12/media-sponsors-pulling-out-mbs-hosted-investment-summit-over-khashoggi]Media Sponsors Pulling Out of MBS-Hosted Investment Summit Over Khashoggi[/url] | ZeroHedge
[quote]What the mass slaughter of civilians and even bombing a school bus full of children in Yemen couldn’t do, the murder of one of their own did: a growing list of major media companies have declared they are pulling out of a high profile investment summit in Riyadh set to start on October 23rd over the alleged Saudi state murder of Washington Post columnist and Saudi “insider” critic Jamal Khashoggi.[/quote]<snip>[/QUOTE]This rang a bell. I finally identified which bell it was. It seems to be an example of the notion that [url=https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/21/death-statistic/]A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic[/url]. (The quote is often attributed to Stalin. The page I give the link to finds a number of similar quotes.)

Trump in Texas
 

I listened for a few minutes tonight to Donald Trump's cheering mignons at a rally for Ted Cruz.

It brought to mind a little thing that happened in a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDwEnwxnGjY"]1934 rally in Nuremberg[/URL].

[QUOTE=Chuck;498551]I listened for a few minutes tonight to Donald Trump's cheering mignons at a rally for Ted Cruz.

It brought to mind a little thing that happened in a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDwEnwxnGjY"]1934 rally in Nuremberg[/URL].[/QUOTE]You might like from about 3 minutes to 7 minutes into this [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5NEfsfjf8s]video of Cruz's May 3, 2016 news conference[/url]. (The video seems to freeze up just before the 6 minute mark, but you can click just past there on the time line, and it resumes.)

Transcript [url=http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1605/03/cnr.07.html]here[/url].

[url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/suspicious-package-found-at-clintons-home-police-say]Explosive devices mailed to Obama, Hillary Clinton, others prompt security scare[/url]

Naturally, [i]Il Duce[/i] expressed regret over his many remarks condoning political violence, and insulting or vilifying the particular targets in this case.

And he has called each and every one of them to assure them he has taken a personal interest in bringing those involved to justice.

Oh, wait...

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;498701][url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/suspicious-package-found-at-clintons-home-police-say]Explosive devices mailed to Obama, Hillary Clinton, others prompt security scare[/url]

Naturally, [i]Il Duce[/i] expressed regret over his many remarks condoning political violence, and insulting or vilifying the particular targets in this case.

And he has called each and every one of them to assure them he has taken a personal interest in bringing those involved to justice.

Oh, wait...[/QUOTE]

Good take himself out for abetting first.