[QUOTE=kladner;446585]The two term limit was a Republican reaction to FDR's winning four times.[/QUOTE]

The 22nd Amendment was ratified by 41 out of 48 state legislatures, so it clearly had broad bipartisan support. Only two state legislatures actually voted against it.

[QUOTE=kladner;446585]I think the end of WWII would have played out differently if he had not dropped dead. Truman was more easily hornswoggled by the generals and the Secretary of War, excuse me, SOD, not SOW. :smile:[/QUOTE]

William C. Bullitt was FDR's second ambassador to the Soviet Union, from 1933 to 1936. As the war was winding down, he tried to warn FDR about Stalin's treachery. Roosevelt replied:

[I]Bill, I don't dispute your facts; they are accurate. I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I just have a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of man. Harry [Hopkins] says he's not and that he doesn't want anything but security for his country, and I think if I give him everything I possibly can and ask for nothing in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace.[/I]

-- quoted in William C. Bullitt, “How We Won the War and Lost the Peace,” [I]Life[/I], 30 August 1948, p. 94.

This quote seems so over the top that you almost wonder if Bullitt made it up. Nonetheless, FDR was hopelessly naive about Stalin. Chances are, he would have given away West Berlin during the Berlin blockade. Truman was a little more realistic.

So in California, today, voters can abolish the death penalty, soften sentencing for nonviolent crimes, legalize a recreational drug and oh, yeah, vote for a president.

Good Luck for the next 4 year USA.
Outlook : not good.

[QUOTE=firejuggler;446818]Good Luck for the next 4 year USA.
Outlook : not good.[/QUOTE]
No. Not good. Good Luck World.

Who knows maybe having Republicans in charge of all three chambers of government will do some good. I personally hate that the Supreme Court vacancy has been successfully transferred as a door prize and what that precedent may entail in this case and in future administrations.

I went out and bought some comfort foods. I wish I bought some booze but drinking alone is just a sad, miserable thing that I've never cared for.

Democracy did its job. There was a high voter turnout. I stood in the longest line ever for me personally. Lines have always been short in my polling places. I may have waited twenty or thirty minutes this time. We USA folk have a new president now. It will probably be ok.

The New York Times was predicting that Hillary might get the popular vote (not the Electoral College vote) by about one percent. I hope that doesn't happen. I don't like when the popular vote differs from the Electoral College determination. I personally think the Electoral College has some benefits in the dynamics of campaigns and power. I wouldn't want to see politicking neglect midwestern states.

Nate Silver's site mentioned something that I hadn't heard before:
[url]http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/[/url]
[QUOTE]1:07 AM
Some States Are Trying To End The Electoral College
Hillary Clinton could still conceivably win the election — or she could lose the national popular vote. But since both outcomes look unlikely, we should start preparing ourselves for the possibility of the second split between the national popular vote and the electoral vote in the last five presidential elections. A coalition of 11 states with 165 electoral votes between them has agreed to an interstate compact that, once signed by states with a combined 270 or more electoral votes, would bind their electors to vote for the winner of the national popular vote — in effect ending the Electoral College. New York just joined this week. It wasn’t enough to affect this election, but maybe today’s result will spur more states to join.[/QUOTE]
I actually didn't vote for Obama's reelection. I was a bit disappointed in Obama at the time and they had moved my polling place to the fire station whose paramedics responded when my girlfriend died several months previously and I didn't want to go there.

A comment of sorts which would be out of place here:
In 'Muzak'
[url]http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=446825&postcount=902[/url]

[QUOTE=kladner;446820]No. Not good. Good Luck World.[/QUOTE]

The world will be fine. We have access to giant space whales right?

[QUOTE=0PolarBearsHere;446827]The world will be fine. We have access to giant space whales right?[/QUOTE]
Gotta accentuate the positive, right?

Why Trump Won; Why Clinton Lost -Robert Parry
 

[URL]https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/09/why-trump-won-why-clinton-lost/[/URL]
[B][COLOR=#555555][FONT=Arial]Hillary Clinton’s stunning defeat reflected a gross misjudgment by the Democratic Party about the depth of populist anger against self-serving elites who have treated much of the country with disdain.
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[COLOR=#555555][FONT=Arial]In the end, Hillary Clinton became the face of a corrupt, arrogant and out-of-touch Establishment, while Donald Trump emerged as an almost perfectly imperfect vessel for a populist fury that had bubbled beneath the surface of America.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#555555][FONT=Arial]There is clearly much to fear from a Trump presidency, especially coupled with continued Republican control of Congress. Trump and many Republicans have denied the reality of climate change; they favor more tax cuts for the rich; they want to deregulate Wall Street and other powerful industries – all policies that helped create the current mess that the United States and much of the world are now in.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[/QUOTE][QUOTE][COLOR=#555555][FONT=Arial]But American voters chose him in part because they felt they needed a blunt instrument to smash the Establishment that has ruled and mis-ruled America for at least the past several decades. It is an Establishment that not only has grabbed for itself almost all the new wealth that the country has produced but has casually sent the U.S. military into wars of choice, as if the lives of working-class soldiers are of little value.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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On foreign policy, the Establishment had turned decision-making over to the neoconservatives and their liberal-interventionist sidekicks, a collection of haughty elitists who often subordinated American interests to those of Israel and Saudi Arabia, for political or financial advantage.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=kladner;446866][URL]https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/09/why-trump-won-why-clinton-lost/[/URL]
[B][COLOR=#555555][FONT=Arial]Hillary Clinton’s stunning defeat reflected a gross misjudgment by the Democratic Party about the depth of populist anger against self-serving elites who have treated much of the country with disdain.
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I was thinking it might be because you can win elections without popular support hillary clinton got more popular votes so far shown but trump got the electorate.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;446868]I was thinking it might be because you can win elections without popular support hillary clinton got more popular votes so far shown but trump got the electorate.[/QUOTE]
I think the manipulations by the DNC have come home to roost. Their determination to anoint Clinton took away any chance of having a candidate, Senator Sanders, who could have confronted Trump in the Populist realm. I believe that he might have defeated Trump. Enjoy the outcomes of your your choices, Democratic Party.