[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;558297]Why would he be worried about jail time? Federal income tax evasion and tax fraud are "Offenses against the United States," for which he has the power of pardon. He just issues blanket pardons all 'round, including to himself. Nobody goes to prison.[/QUOTE]

If Biden is elected I cannot see him getting a pardon, but I do see a future Republican president pardoning him, even posthumously.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;554999]I made a slight change. Fist would work too.[/QUOTE]
:sad:

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;558297]He just issues blanket pardons all 'round,[U] including to himself.[/U] Nobody goes to prison.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;554426]Will Nov-Jan be[URL="https://youtu.be/M11SvDtPBhA?t=62"] pardon season in the USA[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

I stand by my question.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;558315][QUOTE=Uncwilly;554426]Will Nov-Jan be[URL="https://youtu.be/M11SvDtPBhA?t=62"] pardon season in the USA[/URL]?[/QUOTE]I stand by my question.[/QUOTE]You'll just have to stand by until then.

[QUOTE=tServo;558290][COLOR=Gray]What worries the[/COLOR] [B]bloated cheeto[/B] [COLOR=gray]is not the fines but the jail time. I have read several analyses that explain the possibility of serious jail time for him and his daughter is very real.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[U]Off topic[/U]: I read, "The Original Orangutan" somewhere recently. :missingteeth:

[QUOTE=storm5510;558346][U]Off topic[/U]: I read, "The Original Orangutan" somewhere recently. :missingteeth:[/QUOTE]
I did find something quite similar:

From [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/05/i-believe-i-am-treated-worse-trump-says-as-if/]Dana Milbank's May 5, 2020 column[/url],
[quote]Allow me to share some frank thoughts about the president:

The orangutan in the White House is less refined than a savage. He is a fool, an irresolute, vacillating imbecile. He is an idiot, of low intellectual capacity. He is a barbarian, a yahoo, a gorilla — the original gorilla — and an unshapely man. He is horrid-looking, a scoundrel, a creature fit, evidently, for petty treasons.

He is dishonest. He is unjust. He has no principle, no respect for law. In his administrative madness, on his unconstitutional crusade, he uses the power of government to crush. His presidency is despotism, a dictatorship, a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong and an act of national suicide.
<snip>
At this point, I should mention that the president these words refer to is Abraham Lincoln. They are examples of contemporaneous criticism of the Great Emancipator from the newspapers of the day, strung together with minor changes.
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One interpretation of your post is that Lincoln was vindicated by history and that Trump will also be vindicated by history. I'm fairly certain that was not your intention. The only way that Trump will be vindicated by history is if history would be written by the white supremacists and evangelicals. Since those groups want their version of history taught in schools, that is frightening.

[QUOTE=rogue;558351]One interpretation of your post is that Lincoln was vindicated by history and that Trump will also be vindicated by history. I'm fairly certain that was not your intention. The only way that Trump will be vindicated by history is if history would be written by the white supremacists and evangelicals. Since those groups want their version of history taught in schools, that is frightening.[/QUOTE]
To interpret my post properly, you might want to read the whole column. If you can't get access, PM me.

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;558355]To interpret my post properly, you might want to read the whole column. If you can't get access, PM me.[/QUOTE]

I did, which is why I determined that your intent is not as I stated.

I do believe that Trump and many of his followers expect him to be vindicated by history as Lincoln has been.

[QUOTE=rogue;558366]I do believe that Trump and many of his followers expect him to be vindicated by history as Lincoln has been.[/QUOTE]People who think they're entitled to your own facts [i]would[/i] think that.

[b]SEE[/b] "fool's paradise," "cloud-cuckoo-land."

I'm not sure how many cultists there are in countries outside the USA, but judging by recent surveys, and comments about the latest so-called "debate," the consensus seems to be that this country is going down the tubes, fast.

As to debates, Abraham Lincoln made his name by debating Stephen Douglas.

As President, Lincoln succeeded in his primary objective of preserving the union. The dissolution of the union has arguably been under way for some time, and may be inevitable, but should it occur under the current Administration, the complete undoing of Lincoln's legacy by the Republican Party (of which Lincoln was a founding member) will be this Administration's greatest achievement.

Neither Biden or Trump will be the best choice. Both men are in their 70s. Barack Obama is much younger but he's out of his turns. Wish there can be some strong candidates coming up 4 years later.