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pinhodecarlos 2018-04-17 08:36

I’ll take QUEUED AS C160_117xx351_3
C160 from the OPN t600 file.
[ a.k.a. Phi_3(Phi_11(861235321)/11/89/19559)/3/7/3037 ]
P83^3-1 next.

pinhodecarlos 2018-04-17 19:32

1 Attachment(s)
[QUOTE=pinhodecarlos;485467]Taking [B]QUEUED AS C220_126xx371_13 [/B]
C220 from the OPN t600 file.
a.k.a. Phi_13(Phi_3(Phi_17(127)/527532101/115512048133057)/3/151)/3819325511[/QUOTE]

Done.

[url]https://pastebin.com/Bx2kZ7rq[/url]

[CODE]
Tue Apr 17 20:26:02 2018 p69 factor: 668174326378485000548803364519687427214115756672292917239687401398111
Tue Apr 17 20:26:02 2018 p151 factor: 6697950734620800596417379887058873992483554122240914688707279916049273205238530958987954514371206832801385385296764901807757083909102534289473125330913
[/CODE]

pinhodecarlos 2018-04-17 20:38

Can I request an opinion with regards to C184_91605427_29. Are the relations enough to run at TD=120 (31 bits job with 223Mq relations ) or do I have to trial several TD’s. I would like to reserve this composite.

swellman 2018-04-18 01:14

[QUOTE=pinhodecarlos;485570]Can I request an opinion with regards to C184_91605427_29. Are the relations enough to run at TD=120 (31 bits job with 223Mq relations ) or do I have to trial several TD’s. I would like to reserve this composite.[/QUOTE]

It should run, if not at TD=120 then just a bit lower. Try it @TD=120, if it fails then drop TD by 2 and try again - repeat until a matrix builds. A 14/31 job will move quickly, so even if you have to iterate, it won’t take too long. Remdups is definitely recommended!

Lately VBCurtis has explored the issue of minimum required number of relations for a given job, he likely has keener insights.

VBCurtis 2018-04-18 02:59

[QUOTE=swellman;485599]Lately VBCurtis has explored the issue of minimum required number of relations for a given job, he likely has keener insights.[/QUOTE]

I have, but in the context of pointing out that just about every nfs@home job should be run 1LP larger, because only 60-65% additional relations are needed for the larger LP size. I haven't run a 31LP task larger than GNFS160 in a year or so.

To Carlos' question, I think we've learned from all these reps that matrix-building is not tightly predictable in the way he asked about. For jobs from the 14e queue, I usually try TD 130 first, then 124, then 120.

For example, 13*2^847-1 had 642M relations and built a matrix at TD 124, while 13*2^850-1 had 630M relations and failed to build a matrix at TD 112. I added 5M relations sieved locally to build a TD 108 matrix. This illustrates how much the results vary from job to job; the number of relations needed definitely scales with difficulty, but even these two jobs 1 digit apart in size have quite a difference in matrices.

pinhodecarlos 2018-04-18 12:53

1 Attachment(s)
C160_117xx351_3 done.

[CODE]
Wed Apr 18 13:50:05 2018 p77 factor: 12280163908117544085340029822292727289348358977245931888967144711875120828859
Wed Apr 18 13:50:05 2018 p84 factor: 175513178008506701704780810072708613188172533956602694073842299639656817077109893771
[/CODE]

[url]https://pastebin.com/PfF0ai18[/url]

pinhodecarlos 2018-04-18 13:12

For C184_91605427_29 what are the missing lines for the fb file?

[CODE]
N 7997085338078121978016624396860397836399506308737414796818923712658923013977062578840663872715006667776481505546502822535909762705845972859243606038648328426845384356522428671394177191
SKEW 21.232
A6 1
A0 -91605427
R1 -1
R0 6450687706606674009565167454064864055907
FRMAX 134000000
FAMAX 134000000
SRLPMAX 2147483648
SALPMAX 2147483648
[/CODE]

pinhodecarlos 2018-04-18 14:17

[QUOTE=pinhodecarlos;485635]For C184_91605427_29 what are the missing lines for the fb file?

[CODE]
N 7997085338078121978016624396860397836399506308737414796818923712658923013977062578840663872715006667776481505546502822535909762705845972859243606038648328426845384356522428671394177191
SKEW 21.232
A6 1
A0 -91605427
R1 -1
R0 6450687706606674009565167454064864055907
FRMAX 134000000
FAMAX 134000000
SRLPMAX 2147483648
SALPMAX 2147483648
[/CODE][/QUOTE]

Sorry,had a missing dll inside the folder.

pinhodecarlos 2018-04-18 17:00

As I was “expecting” it failed for td=110 so now running at 100.

Is there any information regarding SNFS vs bits v msieve td vs composite size vs unique relations?

VBCurtis 2018-04-18 19:19

[QUOTE=pinhodecarlos;485649]
Is there any information regarding SNFS vs bits v msieve td vs composite size vs unique relations?[/QUOTE]

About 2000 posts' worth, right here in this thread, just waiting for someone to compile it in one big spreadsheet!

swellman 2018-04-18 19:32

[QUOTE=VBCurtis;485651]About 2000 posts' worth, right here in this thread, just waiting for someone to compile it in one big spreadsheet![/QUOTE]

That’s a lot of mining!


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