Of course, being willfully deluded means that you are unable to perceive just how deluded you are. John Cleese has something to say on a closely related subject. Just substitute "deluded" for "stupid". It works just as well.

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[QUOTE=kladner;394625]So, do you consider that wholesale surveillance of citizens without probable cause to be protection of individual rights? How about extra-judicial killing of citizens perceived to be a threat? Let's not even get into the slaughter of countless civilians of other countries, since that does not fit with your rosy picture of the US spreading the Joys of Capitalism and Democracy around the globe.
I suggest that you look into the writings of Chalmers Johnson and Howard Zinn if you really believe all the stuff you spout. Also, stop drinking the Kool-Aid®. It's bad for you, and causes all sorts of delusions. For that matter, just do a George Carlin marathon. You might learn something.
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[QUOTE=kladner;394628]Of course, being willfully deluded means that you are unable to perceive just how deluded you are. John Cleese has something to say on a closely related subject. Just substitute "deluded" for "stupid". It works just as well.
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So calling someone delusional and stupid passes for logic here? No. They don't.

Musicians' audios and comedians' videos do not an argument make.

[QUOTE=davar55;394641]Musicians' audios and comedians' videos [B]do not an argument make[/B].[/QUOTE]

Nor do you, most of the time. You make assertions, some of which are patently untenable. That passes for delusion in my book. At least you provide occasional comic relief.

[QUOTE=kladner;394644]Nor do you, most of the time. You make assertions, some of which are patently untenable. That passes for delusion in my book. At least you provide occasional comic relief.[/QUOTE]

Now delusion, stupidity, and patent untenability? And comic relief? And still no sample for reference? Just
indirectional pointers? Is this logic? Absolutely not.

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[QUOTE=kladner;394647]:razz::blahblahblah::max:[/QUOTE]

More logic, eh?

[QUOTE=davar55;394626]No delusions here. Don't need no anti-capitalism clap-trap. Socialism sucks. Yay to the joys of freedom, which are
only possible when politics and economics mesh and support freedom, i.e. only under Capitalism.

The complaints mentioned are not against capitalism but against its antagonists, the terrorists and communists of the world.[/QUOTE]

I note that you did not address the "wholesale surveillance of citizens without probable cause....."

One who cries out for logic should demonstrate it once in a while.

[QUOTE=kladner;394651]I note that you did not address the "wholesale surveillance of citizens without probable cause....."

One who cries out for logic should demonstrate it once in a while.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. Back at you.

You still haven't addressed the question. Besides, I am not one who claims to be supremely logical.

[QUOTE=davar55;394646]Now delusion, stupidity, and patent untenability? And comic relief? And still no sample for reference? Just
indirectional pointers? Is this logic? Absolutely not.[/QUOTE]
I does seem like a lot of personal criticism all at once. Let's not pile up any more. It also seems to no longer be primarily about the thread topic.