new here with a couple questions
 

just recently started number crunching with gimps and just curious on a few things in cpu info.

meaning and or purpose of the following field areas.

[B][SIZE=1]Reliability, Confidence[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1]1.00, 0.0[/SIZE]
[B][SIZE=1]CPU rolling average[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1]1166 / 1000 (117%) [/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#008000]Execution priority 1 (default)[/COLOR][/SIZE]
just want a little more explanation about those entries.

here also is link to the raw bench mark test for my stock system

[url]http://www.mersenne.org/report_benchmarks/default.php?exp_date=2014-01-01&64bit=1&exover=1&exbad=1&exv25=1&exv26=1&specific_cpu=4377369[/url]

Start here...
[url]http://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/[/url]

[QUOTE=theshark;380812][SIZE=1][COLOR=#008000]Execution priority 1 (default)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
about this part, see the Prime95 program menu, click on Test, then Worker windows, click on Priority and read the message carefully. Raising the priority will make your computer less responsive (up to totally stoned if you fill in "10", for example) and (usually) it will [B]*not*[/B] bring (much) additional speed. The rest, see what petrw said, or just ask. Someone will help you.

The LL test is extremely sensitive to hardware errors, so it is important for us to know if your processor is [U]reliable[/U] or not. It's sort of an average of how accurate your results have been.

Then, we need to know how [U]confident[/U] we are in your results. The more you submit, the more we feel like your computer will consistently perform. The confidence score starts at 0 and increases by 1 for every result you submit, up to a maximum of 10.

Your score will decrease every time you submit a bad result because of a hardware problem (you can fix the problems and reset the counter if you want). I myself am at 0.92. I think I was at 0.98 until I responded foolishly to a little hiccup during one of my test.

On the thresholds page linked, you can see that if your computer is unreliable (rating < 0.7) you can't do first-time LL tests because the risk of the result being wrong is too great, and that result won't be double-checked for a few years.

If the computer is very unreliable (rating < 0.5) we don't even want to waste its time with double-checks.

LaurV explained the execution priority a bit. Leave it at 1.

The rolling average I believe is a measure of how many results you're submitting versus your potential. It shouldn't be above 100% and I don't think it will be for long. I think Primenet is just taking a bit of time to assess how fast your CPU is.

My rolling average is 98% because my CPU is almost always running Prime95 and I rarely shut it down for anything.

[QUOTE=TheMawn;380819]LaurV explained the execution priority a bit. Leave it at 1.

The rolling average I believe is a measure of how many results you're submitting versus your potential. It shouldn't be above 100% and I don't think it will be for long. I think Primenet is just taking a bit of time to assess how fast your CPU is.

My rolling average is 98% because my CPU is almost always running Prime95 and I rarely shut it down for anything.[/QUOTE]

ok thanks i was just curious as to meaning and purposes of areas. i find some documentation on gimps leave a bit to be desired

current system is not fancy - asrock 970 extreme4 , amd fx4170 quad core cpu, 8 gig (2x4gig) crucial pc3-12800h 800 mhz ddr3, msi gtx 660tf video card, crucial ssd 250gig ssd, win7 64 bit os.

i have heard and seen some data on cuda cores but not sure if messing with it will be of any advantage or not as i have been away from any programming for decades now so not sure where to even start but video card is cuda enabled ( 960 cuda cores ) so a possible future project to look into maybe.

i did torture test august 11th and 12th, and cpu benchmark test. might pull up slightly better bench marks test if i shut down some of my tsr programs that load at system start up but i can mess with that at a later time if need be.
i started on assignments august 13th ( 4 LL assignments ) and currently at 7.71% to 7.79% ( 67271383, 67325749, 67376461, and 67403267 ) ambient temp 72 to 74 f and cpu temps stay consistent in the 116 to 118 f range with no errors showing at present for time it has been running.

[QUOTE=theshark;380833] current system is not fancy - asrock 970 extreme4 , amd fx4170 quad core cpu, 8 gig (2x4gig) crucial pc3-12800h 800 mhz ddr3, msi gtx 660tf video card, crucial ssd 250gig ssd, win7 64 bit os.

i have heard and seen some data on cuda cores but not sure if messing with it will be of any advantage or not as i have been away from any programming for decades now so not sure where to even start but video card is cuda enabled ( 960 cuda cores ) so a possible future project to look into maybe.
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If you're referring to using CUDA for the sake of GIMPS, you're actually in luck.

There is already some software that can make use of your GPU.

You can do trial factoring to help eliminate some candidate numbers by finding (relatively) small factors for them by using [URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/mfaktc/"]mfaktc[/URL].

You can use a GPU to perform LL tests though the GTX 660 Ti is much better suited to TF. The software is [URL="http://sourceforge.net/projects/cudalucas/files/"]CUDALucas[/URL]

[URL="http://mersenneforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=92"]More forum resources[/URL]

[URL="http://www.gpu72.com/"]GPU computing hub[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheMawn;380819]LaurV explained the execution priority a bit. Leave it at 1.

The rolling average I believe is a measure of how many results you're submitting versus your potential. It shouldn't be above 100% and I don't think it will be for long. I think Primenet is just taking a bit of time to assess how fast your CPU is.

My rolling average is 98% because my CPU is almost always running Prime95 and I rarely shut it down for anything.[/QUOTE]


well no clue mawn on the cpu rolling average my system for most days runs prime about 18 hours. a couple days only did about 4 to 6 hours due to fact i was working on some other items and turned prime95 off

currently shows - [B][SIZE=1]CPU rolling average[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1]1512 / 1000 (151%) [/SIZE]
when i first posted questions it was at -
[B][SIZE=1]CPU rolling average[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1]1166 / 1000 (117%)

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[QUOTE=theshark;381541]well no clue mawn on the cpu rolling average my system for most days runs prime about 18 hours. a couple days only did about 4 to 6 hours due to fact i was working on some other items and turned prime95 off[QUOTE]

Please forgive me for this, but there is a reason I asked to have my mod privs removed.

Who in the fscking h**l, after posting only four (4) messages, should have any influence?

[QUOTE=TheMawn;380819]The rolling average I believe is a measure of how many results you're submitting versus your potential. It shouldn't be above 100% and I don't think it will be for long. I think Primenet is just taking a bit of time to assess how fast your CPU is.[/QUOTE]

Prime95 has a hardwired estimate for how many iterations per day your computer should complete. These estimates are pretty crude.

RollingAverage is prime95's attempt to adjust those crude estimate based on how many iterations per day you are actually completing. This is used to compute more accurate estimated completion dates in Test/Status and sometimes to tailor the kind of work assigned to your computer.

[QUOTE=chalsall;381546]Please forgive me for this, but there is a reason I asked to have my mod privs removed.

Who in the fscking h**l, after posting only four (4) messages, should have any influence?[/QUOTE]


wow someone has an attitude....don't forget somewhere at one point you only had 4 post. i think your reply was both uncalled for and abusive. if you have issues with getting stuff due to fact you had or do have mod privs and do not at this point want to have them anymore i think there is a place other then posting a reply as such to someone elses post being condescending and berating them for only having 4 post at present .... take issue to the sites IT or head.

and for your information i am attempting to understand some of the prime95 settings a bit better as there is little or no real documentation

For documentation:
Be sure to read all the .txt files, especially readme and undoc. Local.txt and prime.txt are configuration files, also whatsnew and stress.txt. Prime.log is pretty self-explanatory, as are results.txt and worktodo.txt.

For specific questions, try Googling 'site: mersenneforum.org [[I]search terms]'

[/I]EDIT: That was a bit strong for the "Start Here" section, Chris.

[QUOTE=chalsall;381546]Please forgive me for this, but there is a reason I asked to have my mod privs removed.

Who in the fscking h**l, after posting only four (4) messages, should have any influence?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=theshark;381576]wow someone has an attitude....don't forget somewhere at one point you only had 4 post. i think your reply was both uncalled for and abusive. if you have issues with getting stuff due to fact you had or do have mod privs and do not at this point want to have them anymore i think there is a place other then posting a reply as such to someone elses post being condescending and berating them for only having 4 post at present .... take issue to the sites IT or head.

and for your information i am attempting to understand some of the prime95 settings a bit better as there is little or no real documentation[/QUOTE]


Something is very fishy here. Notice that the comment has been edited. Not only that, but by a different user. Chris has been a forum moderator for a very long time, and seeing his username in blue instead of red is actually a bit strange. Why he would lose his privileges or why he would ask to have them removed is beyond me.

The message quote and chalsall's actual post have absolutely nothing to do with each other which is part of the reason I'm a bit confused. I am going to assume that there is some massive misunderstanding.

(could it be that due to some graphical bug it looked like you had mod privileges?)

It is clear that Chris saw something making it seem like you had a significant amount of leverage despite being a very new user. I would never imagine that he would attack you for having few posts. I've never seen that happen here and I would never expect to.

Some things are indeed not documented at all, such as the CPUHours= setting in local.txt. I don't blame a new person for having questions.

[QUOTE=TheMawn;381582]Something is very fishy here. Notice that the comment has been edited. Not only that, but by a different user. Chris has been a forum moderator for a very long time, and seeing his username in blue instead of red is actually a bit strange. Why he would lose his privileges or why he would ask to have them removed is beyond me.

The message quote and chalsall's actual post have absolutely nothing to do with each other which is part of the reason I'm a bit confused. I am going to assume that there is some massive misunderstanding.

(could it be that due to some graphical bug it looked like you had mod privileges?)

It is clear that Chris saw something making it seem like you had a significant amount of leverage despite being a very new user. I would never imagine that he would attack you for having few posts. I've never seen that happen here and I would never expect to.[/QUOTE]Mea culpa.

I saw a portion of Chris's quote started and ended with [ quote] rather than ending with [ /quote] and made the "obvious fix".

Now reverted to the original, with these few posts to record what happened.


Paul

[QUOTE=xilman;381615]Mea culpa.

I saw a portion of Chris's quote started and ended with [ quote] rather than ending with [ /quote] and made the "obvious fix".

Now reverted to the original, with these few posts to record what happened.


Paul[/QUOTE]

I don't see that you changed the substance of the post, unless Chris was responding to your edit when he said, "Please forgive me for this, but there is a reason I asked to have my mod privs removed." Even then, the response seems pretty much the same.

Maybe I am missing something.

[QUOTE=kladner;381628]unless Chris was responding to your edit when he said, "Please forgive me for this, but there is a reason I asked to have my mod privs removed.".[/QUOTE]

This is along the lines of what I was thinking, too.

Chris is under a lot of stress at the moment. He doesn't feel like he has enough time to commit himself properly to a SuperMod position so he has asked for a suspension.

That is part of the reason - certainly not an excuse - for the hostilities. I still chalk the four posts complaint up to a misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=TheMawn;381655]Chris is under a lot of stress at the moment. He doesn't feel like he has enough time to commit himself properly to a SuperMod position so he has asked for a suspension.[/QUOTE]

You have a lot to learn. What is shared in PM's stays in PMs (or, at least, should).

But, since this is now "out"...

Yes, I specifically asked for a suspension. I have a lot to do -- I am under a great deal of stress.

My apologies for posting messages which "push the envelope", and/or might cause offense.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAQLLbJbDw[/url]

I still don't see where the 4-post user said or did anything that could be construed as rude, improper, or arrogant in any way. Certainly I see no exercise of any supposed "influence". Seems like the poster is just asking a few basic questions, which we have handled here thousands of times before.

Always, always, always remember: This forum is explicitly named, endorsed, and trusted by George in the Prime95 software as the *official* support forum for Prime95. We're not helping the project if we turn away 10, 100, or maybe a million GHz-days from a potential contributor because they are greeted by the supposed "help" forum in a pugilistic manner. Better to avoid this section of the forums on a bad day.

[QUOTE=NBtarheel_33;381658]We're not helping the project if we turn away 10, 100, or maybe a million GHz-days from a potential contributor because they are greeted by the supposed "help" forum in a pugilistic manner. Better to avoid this section of the forums on a bad day.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

This is why I asked to have my "red" removed.

@TheShark.

Don't give up yet. The very high majority of folks here love to discuss and help. Occasionally people are in a bad mood and you get a crap answer. Overtime you will learn who's answers are worth reading and caring about. Chalsall's answers usually fall in the middle. However in some areas of the project he is a true master of details, design and insight. For now just shrug it off and keep learning. The forum/project has two high level categories of members. People interested in the actual mathematics/coding of algorithms and people interested in their own computer's hardware capabilities. Some people love both.

Good luck.

:-)
 

yup we all have good and bad days i know that for sure . on disability because of exposure to chemicals at work affected my lung badly but i deal with it and yes i get a crappy attitude at times.

my overall question was just what some stats were in the cpu info on prime net but thanks to everyone i am seeing more as to how they are set up and the data listed.

have a feeling mine is not a system normally seen on prime ( or very few out there ) for cpu (amd fx4170) (asrock 970extreme4) motherboard combo so its still trying to figure out my cpu loading if i read the posted replies proper. the rolling average keeps going up every time the prime software communicates and sends expected completion date

i must say tho i do like this combo i built it works decent overall and wasn't all that expensive to build. i listed the full basics of system in an earlier post

and btw i am jack of all trades ( typical vermonter), but worked in various manufacturing and support positions over 45 years in work force.
tool and die maker by trade, trained also in welding, computer basic information systems, robotics and laser technologies.carried certifications while i was working in iso9001, icp, asq/cqi, six sigma, depro