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kladner 2013-04-22 19:43

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337923]So wow, sounds like the appropriate level of factorization (given current hardware) for a LMH is maybe 82, but certainly 81 would be good. Let me look up some quick numbers here... wow, we have exactly 1 LMH that
has been factored well. .....[/QUOTE]

Was that, by chance, to 81? Only one would have to be my work. :smile:

EDIT: I see that the exponent (332411273) was handed out the next day for LL. I don't know if that would include P-1.

I am curious. If I were to TF another 332M to a high level, would it be possible for me to carry the assignment over to P-1? I could afford to dedicate one core to such an effort. Would doing P-1 on 332411273 constitute poaching?

davieddy 2013-04-22 23:43

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337923]So wow, sounds like the appropriate level of factorization (given current hardware) for a LMH is maybe 82, but certainly 81 would be good. Let me look up some quick numbers here... wow, we have exactly 1 LMH that has been factored well. Since the completion rate is >1, we are definately behind the curve on this one! Maybe I should step up my efforts![/QUOTE]

Since you could take 25 66M exponents to 74 in the same time as one 332M exponent to 81, I am relieved to hear that there are only a few idiots (mostly people round here) who are squandering their massive iron on this currently futile exercise.

The chance of finding a prime per year by LLing 66M expos is [B]125 [/B]times greater than LLing 332M expos.

[B]WAKE UP BCP, KLADNER, CHALSALL [/B]and the rest of you non-believers.
Beware of false prophets.

David

chalsall 2013-04-22 23:52

[QUOTE=davieddy;337959]Beware of false prophets.[/QUOTE]

Sound advice....

Batalov 2013-04-23 00:02

[QUOTE=davieddy;337959]Since you could take 25 66M exponents to 74 in the same time as one 332M exponent to 81, I am relieved to hear that there are only a few idiots (mostly people round here) ...[/QUOTE]
What if people (in George Carlin's parlance) don't want to have a romantic relationship with five "twos", but instead want a tiny bit of chance to have a romantic relationship with a "ten"?

Are you paying these "idiots", David? Have you bought their "big iron", maybe? No? Then stop behaving like their employer and barking orders, eh? This is their idea of fun. Get off, already.

ewmayer 2013-04-23 00:03

I prefer a more general rule: Beware of those who presume to tell others how to spend their time,

That includes - but is far from exclusive to - false prophets: many other kinds of wankers fit the bill, as well.

davieddy 2013-04-23 00:23

[QUOTE=chalsall;337929]We all understand you're just a troll David. (Your motivations we need not speculate on...)
[/QUOTE]
Recently you were humiliated into offering a grovelling apology to the forum because of unjustified contemptuous remarks about my prowess.

[B]ARE YOU SLOW, STUPID OR LOSING YOUR MEMORY?[/B]

David

Uncwilly 2013-04-23 00:35

[QUOTE=davieddy;337963][B]ARE YOU SLOW, STUPID OR LOSING YOUR MEMORY?[/B][/QUOTE]This trading scheme has brought fresh cpu's to the most undeserved segment of this project (namely P-1). So far 1,097 GHz-days have been saved by this little exchange (a net gain of 873). You are acting like this is hurting the project. I have my own free will. I am doing this to benefit my efforts toward the 332 range. If all of my 'wasted' efforts in that range upsets you, you are free to ignore it.:tire:

chalsall 2013-04-23 00:40

[QUOTE=davieddy;337963]Recently you were humiliated into offering a grovelling apology to the forum because of unjustified contemptuous remarks about my prowess.[/QUOTE]

A bigger man would have accepted the apology.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, the insult wasn't about your "prowess".

firejuggler 2013-04-23 00:57

Even if you weren't addressing to me davieddy, you went too far. enjoy your ignore.

davieddy 2013-04-23 01:15

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;337964]This trading scheme has brought fresh cpu's to the most undeserved segment of this project (namely P-1). So far 1,097 GHz-days have been saved by this little exchange (a net gain of 873). You are acting like this is hurting the project. I have my own free will. I am doing this to benefit my efforts toward the 332 range. If all of my 'wasted' efforts in that range upsets you, you are free to ignore it.:tire:[/QUOTE]If this post were written more cogently, I should be responding on the ins and outs of P-1, which I haven't addressed here yet but would like to.
Instead I have to put down yet another thinly-veiled torrent of insults.

[B]Brace yourself Uncle.[/B]

Why should bringing fresh CPUs to the most "undeserved segment of the project" be a good thing to do?

Can you refute my argument that trying to find a 100M digit prime is currently a forlorn effort?

You and I go back several years. It disappoints me to see you jumping on the bandwagon of these upstarts.

David

davieddy 2013-04-23 01:25

[QUOTE=chalsall;337965]A bigger man would have accepted the apology.[/QUOTE]You didn't address your apology for an apology to me, and suggested I milked it for all it was worth.

I seem to be doing that quite well.
Careful what you ask for.

science_man_88 2013-04-23 01:41

[QUOTE=davieddy;337968]Why should bringing fresh CPUs to the most "undeserved segment of the project" be a good thing to do?
[/QUOTE]

last I checked you said that TF by CPU was basically pointless (since TF by GPU can do more), so how is making it more pointless really any worse? it's better than not using CPU to do anything so it's not the worst option.

davieddy 2013-04-23 01:46

[QUOTE=ewmayer;337962]That includes - but is far from exclusive to - false prophets: many other kinds of wankers fit the bill, as well.[/QUOTE]As often, Ernst provides me with an excuse to lighten up a tadge.

A very good older friend of mine frequently remarked on the attractiveness of young boys and girls.
In the pub I broached the subject of his sexual orientation.
"Basically I'm a masturbator" he replied.
Refreshing candour methought.

kladner 2013-04-23 01:59

@davieddy
Again. One more time. You forget why people do this stuff. Not everyone shares your particular goals. Everyone does what tickles his/her particular fancy.

I do a lot of TF and P-1 work, mostly in the low 60Ms. I take last-bit cleanup work. If I take lower TF levels I run them out to their recommended release levels. If it amuses me to do a bit of factoring in Uncwilly's backyard, what is that to you?

What is this obsession which would make worthless any contribution which does not meet your rather cramped standards? Factoring in the 332M stratosphere is not really THAT much more abstruse [I][U]than the GIMPS project in general.[/U][/I] Why should every last erg be devoted to "advancing the wave?"
Why this obsession with how long the next Mersenne Prime will be in coming?

All work (correctly) done fills in gaps in the data. As processing power increases some people naturally have the urge to prospect in previously-impractical ranges and see what their hot gear can do. Kind of like I used to drive out into the countryside to see how quick off the mark my car was. Maybe it amounts to no more than engine-revving before a race: showing off, willy-waving, or whatever.

However, [U]I never agreed to race nonstop in the first place. [/U]

Again, my compliments on your skill at getting people drawn in and participating in your habitual nastiness. It is rich, though, that you "cry havoc and loose the dogs of war" for the "intemperate" language of others.

davieddy 2013-04-23 02:06

[QUOTE=science_man_88;337971]last I checked you said that TF by CPU was basically pointless (since TF by GPU can do more), so how is making it more pointless really any worse? it's better than not using CPU to do anything so it's not the worst option.[/QUOTE]I was merely mocking his use of "undeserved" when he presumably meant "neglected".

I'm surprised a grammatical wizard such as you would fail to pick up on this.

kladner 2013-04-23 02:15

[QUOTE=davieddy;337975]I was merely mocking his use of "undeserved" when he presumably meant "neglected".
[/QUOTE]

It is pretty clear what the intended word is. I did not notice the missing "r" until you mentioned it. I read the obvious intention. I realize the typos can produce very funny results, but they are still only typos.

EDIT: This corrupted part of the thread really should be moved to one of the usual locations. :rolleyes: :threadhijacked: :drama:

davieddy 2013-04-23 02:27

[QUOTE=kladner;337974]
Again, my compliments on your skill at getting people drawn in and participating in your habitual nastiness. It is rich, though, that you "cry havoc and loose the dogs of war" for the "intemperate" language of others.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever considered writing for a living?

Confronted with your monotonous whinging, I feel obliged to defend myself.
I am aware that this can include being very cutting. I ameliorate this with the occasional frivolity which apparently goes clean over your head.

Why should you feel threatened by the intellect and street-savieness of an old codger like me?

D

Uncwilly 2013-04-23 03:03

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;337964]This trading scheme has brought fresh cpu's to the most undeserved segment of this project (namely P-1). So far 1,097 GHz-days have been saved by this little exchange (a net gain of 873).[/QUOTE]I will point out here that in the last 20 days, I have saved more work (the noted net gain) by this this little diversion than you have contributed in the [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_top_500_custom/?team_flag=0&type=1003&rank_lo=1525&rank_hi=1535&start_date=&end_date=&B1=Get+Report"]last year[/URL].
[QUOTE=davieddy;337968]If this post were written more cogently, I should be responding on the ins and outs of P-1, which I haven't addressed here yet but would like to.[/quote]Between my disability and spell check, a single letter got left out.
[QUOTE=davieddy]Instead I have to put down yet another thinly-veiled torrent of insults.[/quote]So you enjoy picking on the disabled? Showing off your true colours.....
[QUOTE=davieddy]Can you refute my argument that trying to find a 100M digit prime is currently a forlorn effort?[/quote]That is irrelevant. I have never attempted a 100M digit LL. All my efforts are to make sure that those who do attempt the LL's don't do so wastefully (when a factor can be found reasonably, which is the whole purpose of GIMPS doing TF and P-1).
[QUOTE=davieddy]You and I go back several years. It disappoints me to see you jumping on the bandwagon of these upstarts.[/quote]Jumping on the bandwagon? Really? I think that [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=10693"]2008[/URL] is before any bandwagon. And [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=2558"]nine years[/URL] ago is prior to the road even being surveyed.
[QUOTE=davieddy;337972]A very good older friend of mine frequently remarked on the attractiveness of young boys and girls.[/QUOTE]You have a filthy mouth. That post was not family friendly and this is not the soapbox, so your are not appropriate here.
[QUOTE=kladner;337974]Again. One more time. You forget why people do this stuff. Not everyone shares your particular goals. Everyone does what tickles his/her particular fancy.

I do a lot of TF and P-1 work, mostly in the low 60Ms. I take last-bit cleanup work. If I take lower TF levels I run them out to their recommended release levels. If it amuses me to do a bit of factoring in Uncwilly's backyard, what is that to you?[/QUOTE]Exactly.
[QUOTE=kladner;337976]EDIT: This corrupted part of the thread really should be moved to one of the usual locations. :rolleyes: :threadhijacked: :drama:[/QUOTE]Yep. That is part of the reason that I asked for the posts about the trading to be moved to their own thread.

kladner 2013-04-23 03:23

[QUOTE=kladner;337938]I see that the exponent (332411273) was handed out the next day for LL. I don't know if that would include P-1.

I am curious. If I were to TF another 332M to a high level, would it be possible for me to carry the assignment over to P-1? I could afford to dedicate one core to such an effort. Would doing P-1 on 332411273 constitute poaching?[/QUOTE]

:bump:

Uncwilly 2013-04-23 03:50

[QUOTE=kladner;337938]Would doing P-1 on 332411273 constitute poaching?[/QUOTE]Yeah, it would... It would take a while to see if it actually gets worked on.
[QUOTE=kladner;337938]If I were to TF another 332M to a high level, would it be possible for me to carry the assignment over to P-1? I could afford to dedicate one core to such an effort. [/quote]If you get it from PrimeNet as an LL assignment, you could own it for as long as you want.:bump2:

davieddy 2013-04-23 04:10

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;337980]I will point out here that in the last 20 days, I have saved more work (the noted net gain) by this this little diversion than you have contributed in the [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_top_500_custom/?team_flag=0&type=1003&rank_lo=1525&rank_hi=1535&start_date=&end_date=&B1=Get+Report"]last year[/URL].
Between my disability and spell check, a single letter got left out.
So you enjoy picking on the disabled? Showing off your true colours.....
You have a filthy mouth. That post was not family friendly and this is not the soapbox, so your are not appropriate here.
[/QUOTE]
You were not very high on my mental "favourite correspondents" list, but this is an all time low to which I had not expected you to stoop.

These days I have single Core2 which suits my current needs. When I worked in IT I had access to a lot of things. I run first time LL 24/7, which puts me at ~1500 on the list to which you so tactfully linked. As such, I can feel that I am contributing sincerely to GIMPS, and empathize with the legions of run-of-the-mill participants.

What is your disability? I shall get my violin out if necessary.

Unlike the supermod to whom I was responding, I avoided the "W" word, and I would suggest that "filthy" applies more to your mind than my mouth.
Could you relate my anecdote more delicately?
You are a hypocritical puritan. Suck on that, along with a bar of soap.

D

kracker 2013-04-23 04:31

*sigh* too many areas of this forum feels like war.

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-23 04:34

Progress so far:
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332309833"]332309833[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-02 00:30 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332310091"]332310091[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-05 01:55 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332311081"]332311081[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-09 19:04 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283779"]332283779[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283821"]332283821[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283841"]332283841[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | Testing
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283859"]332283859[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | Testing
[/code]

You tried to do a p-1 on a 332M number once, didn't you Unc? How long did that take?

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-23 04:51

[QUOTE=kladner;337938]Was that, by chance, to 81? Only one would have to be my work. :smile:

[...]

I am curious. If I were to TF another 332M to a high level, would it be possible for me to carry the assignment over to P-1? I could afford to dedicate one core to such an effort. Would doing P-1 on 332411273 constitute poaching?[/QUOTE]

Ah, you know, you did do one to 81, so 2 were done to 81. I actually forgot about that, because when I started factoring them to 79 the other week only one had been factored past 74, and that one was factored all the way out to 85. :huh:

I suspect there there is a period between when you turn your TF'd number in to gpu72 and when gpu72 releases it. You could probably use the 'highest TF level' with a min of 332M to find the one you had just turned in to 79, reserve it to 80, then p-1 the thing for primenet. When you're done with the p-1, you can simply unreserve the tf to 80. Since I've got 2 already running, I'll try to grab one of them for you tommorow.

Uncwilly 2013-04-23 05:13

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337989]You tried to do a p-1 on a 332M number once, didn't you Unc? How long did that take?[/QUOTE]
166 GHz-days, it was on a single core of a i5-2400 @ 3.10GHz running Windows64,v27.7 with about 2600 MB available to P95.

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-23 05:29

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;337992]166 GHz-days, it was on a single core of a i5-2400 @ 3.10GHz running Windows64,v27.7 with about 2600 MB available to P95.[/QUOTE]

So... about 6 weeks?

Uncwilly 2013-04-23 05:29

[QUOTE=davieddy;337986]What is your disability?[/QUOTE]
As [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=149160&postcount=78"]previously[/URL] [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=103510&postcount=4"]brought out[/URL] in the forum, [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=191658&highlight=dyslexia#post191658"]dyslexia[/URL]. It affects spelling (not just the random reversals, but also induces a general difficulty in spelling) among other things.
It seems that [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=18089&highlight=dyslexic&page=3"]you know about this[/URL]. [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=204528&highlight=dyslexia#post204528"]This exchange[/URL] may have been a clue.

Uncwilly 2013-04-23 05:37

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337995]So... about 6 weeks?[/QUOTE]I think that it may have been on the shorter side of that a touch. I did 2 and they got turned in Feb 20 and Mar 20. IIRC they were on the same core sequentially. I think that P-1 gives the best GHz-days credit return, as a function of actual GHz-days outlay.

chalsall 2013-04-23 14:42

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337990]I suspect there there is a period between when you turn your TF'd number in to gpu72 and when gpu72 releases it.[/QUOTE]

Only a few seconds.

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337990]You could probably use the 'highest TF level' with a min of 332M to find the one you had just turned in to 79, reserve it to 80, then p-1 the thing for primenet. When you're done with the p-1, you can simply unreserve the tf to 80.[/QUOTE]

Until we make 100M digit P-1 an official work type, the best thing to do is simply e-mail me the candidate desired, and I can manually set up the assignment.

Or, alternatively, reserve it directly from Primenet and e-mail me the candidate, and I'll set things up such that GPU72 will "watch" for its P-1 completion.

Either way works, and wouldn't take much (of my) time.

chalsall 2013-04-23 17:36

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;337990]I suspect there there is a period between when you turn your TF'd number in to gpu72 and when gpu72 releases it.[/QUOTE]

OK... I've figured out an easy way to facilitate this... GPU72 will now keep the 10 lowest candidates without a P-1 done.

This means two things. First, the lowest candidates (without P-1 done) are available to take to higher bit levels (read: they won't automatically get released just because they've been TFed past 73).

Second, it means that those low candidates taken to higher bit levels are available to be reserved for P-1 work.

For the record, I don't think 100M digit P-1 Makes Sense[SUP](TM)[/SUP] when we're currently behind on LL P-1. But I'm just a facilitator. As always, people are free to do whatever they want with their own time, equipment and money.

kladner 2013-04-23 20:42

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;337998]I think that it may have been on the shorter side of that a touch. I did 2 and they got turned in Feb 20 and Mar 20. IIRC they were on the same core sequentially. I think that P-1 gives the best GHz-days credit return, as a function of actual GHz-days outlay.[/QUOTE]

That is encouraging.....much better than I expected. It would definitely be worth dedicating a core, even if that core is on an AMD FX instead of an i5.

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-24 11:38

There were no factors to 79 for [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283841"]332283841[/URL] or [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283859"]332283859[/URL]. Puts the GHD/10 on my side up to 254.

Uncwilly 2013-04-24 12:31

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338120]There were no factors to 79 for [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283841"]332283841[/URL] or [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283859"]332283859[/URL]. Puts the GHD/10 on my side up to 254.[/QUOTE]
Cool! I just hit 246 GHz-days a moment ago.

bcp19 2013-04-24 19:33

[QUOTE=davieddy;337899]<snip>
If it just worthwhile TFing 66M to 75, it is clearly desirable to go to 74.
[B]It is possible with our current firepower to do this for [I][U]most [/U][/I]candidates and keep pace with LL completions.[/B] Any left over should be taken to 73. <snip>[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=davieddy;337935]This so petty, but:
[B]I said that we couldn't TF every expo to 74 and keep pace with the rate of LL completion.[/B] This remains true ATM.

<snip>David[/QUOTE]
I is confuzzled... with our current firepower we's can does MOST candidates to 74... but we's been tolds that 74 is not sustainable... MOST seems to be good in my book, is we mising something?

[QUOTE]I agree with BCP19 that dabbling with 100M digits is OK in small doses, as long as it isn't diverting a significant amount of firepower from the main goal of finding another prime.<snip>
David[/QUOTE]
I'se even more confuzzled... I'se doesn't 'member making this statement...

[QUOTE=davieddy;337959]Since you could take 25 66M exponents to 74 in the same time as one 332M exponent to 81, I am relieved to hear that there are only a few idiots (mostly people round here) who are squandering their massive iron on this currently futile exercise.

The chance of finding a prime per year by LLing 66M expos is [B]125 [/B]times greater than LLing 332M expos.

[B]WAKE UP BCP, KLADNER, CHALSALL [/B]and the rest of you non-believers.
Beware of false prophets.

David[/QUOTE]
I'se doesn't think I'se can get any more confuzzled... I'se don't see any 332M assignments on any of my 'puters or GPUs. I'se done 1 332M since starting GIMPS, and I'se only did TF on it to 80 after the P-1 and concurrently with the LL run since I'se could GPU the TF from 77-80 in 3 months on the GPU I'se used, just in case I'se could save 8+ months of LL testing.

[QUOTE=davieddy;337986]These days I have single Core2 which suits my current needs. When I worked in IT I had access to a lot of things. I run first time LL 24/7, which puts me at ~1500 on the list to which you so tactfully linked. As such, I can feel that I am contributing sincerely to GIMPS, and empathize with the legions of run-of-the-mill participants.<snip>
D[/QUOTE]
Wowzers, I'se wrong, I'se can be more confuzzled... but since I'se not one who likes to repeat I'self, I'se gonna end up staying confuzzled.

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-24 19:52

[QUOTE=chalsall;338039]OK... I've figured out an easy way to facilitate this... GPU72 will now keep the 10 lowest candidates without a P-1 done.

This means two things. First, the lowest candidates (without P-1 done) are available to take to higher bit levels (read: they won't automatically get released just because they've been TFed past 73).[/QUOTE]

Did this go into play? I see the 2 numbers I put to 79 last night are not available for p-1.

Also! Me, I think I'd put off doing a month long p-1 on a cpu atm, what with the p-1 culu mod making progress.

kladner 2013-04-24 20:00

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338163]Also! Me, I think I'd put off doing a month long p-1 on a cpu atm, what with the p-1 culu mod making progress.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for making that excellent point! It should be worth waiting for.

chalsall 2013-04-24 20:08

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338163]Did this go into play? I see the 2 numbers I put to 79 last night are not available for p-1.[/QUOTE]

Please read very carefully the language. Language is important...

[QUOTE=chalsall]GPU72 will now keep the 10 lowest candidates without a P-1 done.[/QUOTE]

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-24 20:42

I did not see any (at all) p-1s in the 332M range, not specifically mine. I understand you were only keeping the lowest, but was surprised to find none at all.

The problem was not the selection method though, it was that I had changed the bottom range to 332,000,000 and the upper range was only 100,000,000.

davieddy 2013-04-24 20:55

[QUOTE=bcp19;338156]I is confuzzled... [/QUOTE]
This is what I have diplomatically refrained from saying so explicitly.

I isn't!

What's your poison?
I find Scotch and American Dry to be efficaceous ATM.

Cheers:smile:

bcp19 2013-04-24 21:22

[QUOTE=davieddy;338172]This is what I have diplomatically refrained from saying so explicitly.

I isn't!

What's your poison?
I find Scotch and American Dry to be efficaceous ATM.

Cheers:smile:[/QUOTE]
I prefer Bacardi 151, but I only go through about 1 bottle a year.

I just find it funny how first 74 is unsustainable, then we can do MOST to 74, then you retract that statement and again go back to unsustainable. I find it insulting that you refer to me doing things that I am not doing in your pointless tirades.

In addition [offtopic] since it will take 99 days to clear all DCTF *IF* all GPU72 resources were set to doing it and 2209 days using the current resources doing DCTF, I believe that whining about the resources spent doing DCTF is groundless since only 4.5% is being used. 100/95.5 = 104.7% * the 303 average daily = 317 or 14 per day. Of that 14, I am responsible for 8 of them, so all of the other DCTF combined account for the 'loss' of just 6 LLTF per day. I can either do 40 DCTF or 8 LLTF per day. I personally don't think 40 a day will keep ahead of the DCTF wavefront, so I will continue working.[/offtopic]

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-24 21:34

+1 for Bacardi 151. If I'm drinking any other kind of alcohol, it's because I'm not home and there's none of the good stuff available. Some people think it's extreme, but I can guaruntee that an ounce of 151 in your coke is going to be smoother than two ounces of regular bacardi white.

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-26 02:19

More Progress!
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332309833"]332309833[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-02 00:30 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332310091"]332310091[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-05 01:55 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332311081"]332311081[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-09 19:04 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283779"]332283779[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283821"]332283821[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283841"]332283841[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283859"]332283859[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332229197"]332229197[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-04-25 10:09 | 322.46 | No Factor
[/code]

Short one this time - it was already factored to 75. 286 hrs.

kracker 2013-04-26 23:04

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338348]More Progress!
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332309833"]332309833[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-02 00:30 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332310091"]332310091[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-05 01:55 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332311081"]332311081[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-09 19:04 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283779"]332283779[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283821"]332283821[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283841"]332283841[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283859"]332283859[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332229197"]332229197[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-04-25 10:09 | 322.46 | No Factor
[/code]

Short one this time - it was already factored to 75. 286 hrs.[/QUOTE]

Just if you want to know, I think Team_Inspector is Uncwilly :smile:

bcp19 2013-04-27 01:00

[QUOTE=davieddy;338459]I used to remember what a hangover was.

If we can't do all expos to 74 and maintain the required hit rate, then ALL expos to 74 is unsustainable.
DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?
[B]GLUG:smile:[/B][/QUOTE]
No, you don't make yourself clear, because your viewpoint is too narrow.

The point you continue to refuse to acknowledge is that until ALL of the pending ^73 exponents < where we switched to ^74 are handed out, then you cannot say it is unsustainable. We were 30 some days ahead which means at 300 some per day there are some 9000+ exponents sitting at ^73 still waiting to be handed out (not solid numbers, cause time has passed, but the point is still valid). Until those are gone, we are continuing to build a ^74 buffer. When (and only when) that buffer is completely gone, will you be able to acertain that ^74 is unsustainable.

Until you realize you are comparing your apples to my oranges, you will never see the truth.

chalsall 2013-04-27 01:22

[QUOTE=bcp19;338465]We were 30 some days ahead which means at 300 some per day there are some 9000+ exponents sitting at ^73 still waiting to be handed out (not solid numbers, cause time has passed, but the point is still valid).[/QUOTE]

9,944 candidates between 60M and 63M already at 73 ready to be handed out. 5,199 candidates between 63M and 65M ready to be handed out. 4,122 candidates assigned for P-1 already TFed to 73.

Or, as of 2013.04.27.0000 we're approximately 63.6 days ahead.

[QUOTE=bcp19;338465]Until you realize you are comparing your apples to my oranges, you will never see the truth.[/QUOTE]

I think David realizes this. He just likes to wind everyone up (hick!)....

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-27 02:28

[QUOTE=davieddy;338459]If we can't do all expos to 74 and maintain the required hit rate, then ALL expos to 74 is unsustainable.
DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bcp19;338465]No, you don't make yourself clear, because your viewpoint is too narrow.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for hatin' on the haters, but to be fair (pointless, I know) if we can't do all exponents to 74 and still meet the required hit rate, doing all the exponents to 74 is unsustainable. Truth. If his unstated implication that we can't do all the exponents to 74 and still meet the hit rate were true then devoting all of our efforts to 74 would be unsustainable (though still the right thing to do!) same as using up more of resource than we can generate is unsustainable regardless of our current stores.

But really he's just pissing in the wind here because he knows we don't have the discipline to point 100% of our effort at any one thing anyway.
If we did, it might matter one little whit what the hell he was going on about wrt setting the mark at 74.

[QUOTE=chalsall;338470]I think David realizes this. He just likes to wind everyone up (hick!)....[/QUOTE]
Truth. :davieddy:

Uncwilly 2013-04-27 03:46

[QUOTE=kracker;338454]Just if you want to know, I think Team_Inspector is Uncwilly :smile:[/QUOTE]For all of the P-1 work that I am exchanging, I am pulling from GPUto72. The user name on GPUto72 is my forum user name.
The graph [URL="http://www.gpu72.com/reports/workers/p-1/graph/42-51/"]here[/URL] shows my rise to 285 GHz-days.

bcp19 2013-04-27 04:46

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338473]I'm all for hatin' on the haters, but to be fair (pointless, I know) if we can't do all exponents to 74 and still meet the required hit rate, doing all the exponents to 74 is unsustainable. Truth. If his unstated implication that we can't do all the exponents to 74 and still meet the hit rate were true then devoting all of our efforts to 74 would be unsustainable (though still the right thing to do!) same as using up more of resource than we can generate is unsustainable regardless of our current stores.
[/QUOTE]
We aren't doing [B]all[/B] exp to ^74 though. As Chalsall pointed, there are over 9,900 exponents TF'd to 73 between 60M and 63M ready to be handed out with about 5200 64M+ already TF'd to 74. Seems to me we must be doing something right, cause it seems we were between 36 and 45 days ahead before and now are over 60.

chalsall 2013-04-27 23:58

[QUOTE=davieddy;338597]Yep.
And furthermore, I seem to do it effortlessly without a GPU.

[B]DOWN THE HATCH[/B][/QUOTE]

Go back to your bottle David, and let the "men" man the ship.

davieddy 2013-04-28 12:46

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338473]But really he's just pissing in the wind here because he knows we don't have the discipline to point 100% of our effort at any one thing anyway.
If we did, it might matter one little whit what the hell he was going on about wrt setting the mark at 74.


Truth. :davieddy:[/QUOTE]
He is careful to point out that he is referring to first time LL tests in the 50M-70M range.
It so happens that the vast majority of resources are concentrated here, and there is a simple reason why this might be so:

It is the only sensible lottery to join if you wish to find a Mersenne prime (or, more likely, feel you have contributed in a small way towards it).

A viable alternative could be DCs.
If the expos were about 1/3 the size of first time LLs, your daily chance of finding a prime would be comparable.
But alas Garo, BCP19 et loads of al (milestone chasers for instance) insist on "Compressing the wavefront". See the first sentence of Chalsall's mission statement on the GPUto72 homepage.

D

BTW "Pissing in the wind" is my copyright, and refers to TFing 80M+ expos to 71 bits.

bcp19 2013-04-28 13:21

[QUOTE=davieddy;338649]He is careful to point out that he is referring to first time LL tests in the 50M-70M range.
It so happens that the vast majority of resources are concentrated here, and there is a simple reason why this might be so:

It is the only sensible lottery to join if you wish to find a Mersenne prime (or, more likely, feel you have contributed in a small way towards it).

A viable alternative could be DCs.
If the expos were about 1/3 the size of first time LLs, your daily chance of finding a prime would be comparable.
But alas Garo, BCP19 et loads of al (milestone chasers for instance) insist on "Compressing the wavefront". See the first sentence of Chalsall's mission statement on the GPUto72 homepage.

D

BTW "Pissing in the wind" is my copyright, and refers to TFing 80M+ expos to 71 bits.[/QUOTE]
I have told you time and again I could care less about milestones, so stop your insinuations. I have a goal that is incompatible with your narrowminded way of thinking, and I am sick and tired of the pile of horse manure that streams daily from your mouth. If you falsely accuse me one more time I will petition for your banning from this forum, and it that fails I will leave GIMPS. I don't spend my time, effort, or expense to be derided by you.

davieddy 2013-04-28 13:41

[QUOTE=bcp19;338651]I have told you time and again I could care less about milestones, so stop your insinuations. I have a goal that is incompatible with your narrowminded way of thinking, and I am sick and tired of the pile of horse manure that streams daily from your mouth. If you falsely accuse me one more time I will petition for your banning from this forum, and it that fails I will leave GIMPS. I don't spend my time, effort, or expense to be derided by you.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm.
Before I can start to apologise, I have to get some idea of what is upsetting you.

As far as I can see (and certainly intended) the only thing I "accused" you of in this post was assisting the advancement of DCs to such a level that they are
1) No longer nice and quick for newbie/slower GIMPS participants to do.
2) A sensible hunting ground for new Mersenne primes.

I expect you have noticed that I enjoy the "craick" of Mersenneforum immensely, and that the standards of moderation are absolutely superb.

It would be a pity if a man of your enthusiasm were lost from the project, but in the light of some of your more vitriolic remarks, I cannot say I would miss you for very long.

David

BigBrother 2013-04-28 14:08

[QUOTE=bcp19;338651]I have told you time and again I could care less about milestones, so stop your insinuations. I have a goal that is incompatible with your narrowminded way of thinking, and I am sick and tired of the pile of horse manure that streams daily from your mouth. If you falsely accuse me one more time I will petition for your banning from this forum, and it that fails I will leave GIMPS. I don't spend my time, effort, or expense to be derided by you.[/QUOTE]

Where is this petition? Where do I sign?

In the meantime, just put him on the ignore list. He's not worth your time.

kracker 2013-04-28 14:45

[QUOTE=BigBrother;338655]Where is this petition? Where do I sign?

In the meantime, just put him on the ignore list. He's not worth your time.[/QUOTE]

+1. If he really ticks you off, just ignore him. I would too but I consider him as "self-amusement".

bcp19 2013-04-28 14:49

Various Davieddy comments:

[QUOTE]
The chance of finding a prime per year by LLing 66M expos is 125 times greater than LLing 332M expos.
WAKE UP BCP, KLADNER, CHALSALL and the rest of you non-believers.
Beware of false prophets.

Glancing through the range of a billion, the only significant source of extra GPU fire power is from the grossly excessive DC-TF of which the self-styled "king" BCP19 is so proud (3000/week to 70 bits I ASK YOU).

Yep.
If the DC-TF effort was supposed to encourage newcomers to do DCs, it would be laudable, although when a factor is found it reduces the quick DCs available.
Unfortunately their motives are less altruistic:
1) They want to perform the DC themselves.
2) They like to find cheap factors (albeit not as cheap as those in the range you seem obsessed with).
3) They are obsessed with the countdown to milestones.

But alas Garo, BCP19 et loads of al (milestone chasers for instance) insist on "Compressing the wavefront".

3) I think I implicitly included myself in the "dabbler" class, especially when addressing BCP"BigIron"19.

As far as I can see (and certainly intended) the only thing I "accused" you of in this post was assisting the advancement of DCs to such a level that they are
1) No longer nice and quick for newbie/slower GIMPS participants to do.
2) A sensible hunting ground for new Mersenne primes.
[/QUOTE]
This list is likely not complete, but you have either implied or flat-out called me a milestone hunter(twice), a non believer chasing false prophets, lumped me into groups that I do not participate in, a self styled king grossly overperforming DCTF, a cheap factor hunter, and now in your latest post, a DC hog robbing the newbies and slowpokes.

You constantly tell us we are wasting our time "because we are not following your tenants" so that a new prime will be found within 4 years, but it is OUR time (and money) to waste and frankly NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

It's no wonder that I end up making snide comments to you, considering how many slurs you make upon my character and integrity and your coy little digs into the work I do, then innocently go "Who, me?" when called on it.

You're supposed to be one of the 'elders' here. Grow up and act like it.

Chuck 2013-04-28 18:08

[QUOTE=bcp19;338651]I have told you time and again I could care less about milestones, so stop your insinuations. I have a goal that is incompatible with your narrowminded way of thinking, and I am sick and tired of the pile of horse manure that streams daily from your mouth. If you falsely accuse me one more time I will petition for your banning from this forum, and it that fails I will leave GIMPS. I don't spend my time, effort, or expense to be derided by you.[/QUOTE]

Please don't let this nattering nabob of negativity get to you...

kladner 2013-04-28 18:59

[QUOTE=Chuck;338683]Please don't let this nattering nabob of negativity get to you...[/QUOTE]

@ Pete:
Indeed. Just leave him to wallow in his own excrement. Your supporters far outnumber your detractor.

Uncwilly 2013-04-29 00:05

[QUOTE=Chuck;338683]Please don't let this nattering nabob of negativity get to you...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kladner;338687]@ Pete:
Indeed. Just leave him to wallow in his own excrement. Your supporters far outnumber your detractor.[/QUOTE]
:goodposting:

Uncwilly 2013-04-29 07:54

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;335478]But still, we always need more p-1 action in the LL range, so I'd be willing to trade up some ghz days if you like.[/QUOTE]
Your fiendish scheme is working. In the last 25 days I have found 6 factors, 2 of which came in the last 24hrs, from the same machine.
:party:

R.D. Silverman 2013-04-29 15:13

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;338724]Your fiendish scheme is working. In the last 25 days I have found 6 factors, 2 of which came in the last 24hrs, from the same machine.
:party:[/QUOTE]

This entire discussion is a few kegs short of a six-pack.

Aramis Wyler 2013-04-30 09:10

Tossed another short one on:
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332207987"]3322[COLOR=#000000]07987[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-04-30 09:04 | 322.47 | No Factor
[/code]

Uncwilly 2013-04-30 12:26

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338824]Tossed another short one on:
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332207987"]3322[COLOR=#000000]07987[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-04-30 09:04 | 322.47 | No Factor
[/code][/QUOTE]
I currently am at 325.8 GHzDays of reported P-1 since the start.
By the end of the week, I should be in the top 100 of P-1'ers for the year.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-01 00:57

Man, you are tearing them up! Another 76 to 79 is on the bbq as we speak!

[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[U][COLOR=#22229c][URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332208131"]332208131[/URL][/COLOR][/U] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-01 00:52 | 322.47 | Testing.
[/code]

350 hours total when this one completes.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-02 02:11

Looks like you hit 350 on the chart, so I tossed another of these small ones on.
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332229187"]332229187[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-02 02:07 | 322.45 | Testing.
[/code]

Primeinator 2013-05-02 04:01

[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;338742]This entire discussion is a few kegs short of a six-pack.[/QUOTE]

That is exceedingly amusing. I am going to have to start using this phrase.

philmoore 2013-05-02 04:08

[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;338742]This entire discussion is a few kegs short of a six-pack.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Primeinator;338987]That is exceedingly amusing. I am going to have to start using this phrase.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Primeinator, I read Bob's initial post too quickly and did not catch the humor in it! Thanks, RDS!

Uncwilly 2013-05-02 05:03

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;338980]Looks like you hit 350 on the chart, so I tossed another of these small ones on.[/QUOTE]Only at 338 at the moment, but should be at 350 by Friday afternoon. Lost some time when the power went and and was unable to get to the machines and restart them. That is done now and I should be picking up.

Uncwilly 2013-05-06 02:43

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;338989]Only at 338 at the moment, but should be at 350 by Friday afternoon.[/QUOTE]Will be at 400 by close of business (1700 GMT) Monday. Be warned, incoming new hardware should make me even more productive. Don't have the exact date yet, maybe by the end of this week or next.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-06 12:39

Ok. I queued [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332432047"]332432047[/URL] to start after UTC 0000. It's from 72-79 so I guess that will put me in the 415 range if there is no factor. I'll add them all up after it finishes.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-08 01:04

[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD/D | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332309833"]332309833[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-02 00:30 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332310091"]332310091[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-05 01:55 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332311081"]332311081[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-09 19:04 | 362.67 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283779"]332283779[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283821"]332283821[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-16 11:58 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283841"]332283841[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332283859"]332283859[/URL] | LL TF | 73-79 | 2013-04-21 19:07 | 362.70 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332229197"][COLOR=#000080]332229197[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-04-25 10:09 | 322.46 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp=332207987"]332207987[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-04-30 09:04 | 322.48 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp=33208131"]332208131[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-01 00:52 | 322.48 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp=332229187"]332229187[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-02 02:07 | 322.46 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp=332432047"][COLOR=#000080]332432047[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 72-79 | 2013-05-06 12:27 | 365.42 | No Factor[/code]
419.41. I'll put another one on tommorow.

Uncwilly 2013-05-08 01:20

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;339622]419.41. I'll put another one on tommorow.[/QUOTE]When you fetch them from GPUto72, use 'Lowest Exponent' if you don't mind.:bow:
The lower they are, the more likely they are to get sent out for LL sooner.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-08 01:29

Ah, whoops. You know, I pretty much always do. I set it to depth first, change the commitment from 78 to 79, then set it to lowest exponent. I must have skipped a step on that last one. :smile:

Just fetched [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332216113"]332216113[/URL], 76-79, 322.46 GHD. I was wondering how I had gotten one that wasn't factored past 72, but figured maybe someone had just relinquished it back to the system.

kracker 2013-05-09 15:17

I decided to take a few to 78, first exponent on the list and...

no factor for M332426287 from 2^72 to 2^73 [mfakto 0.13pre4-Win cl_barrett15_73_gs_2]

M332426287 has a factor: 12637801665226653007607 [TF:73:74*:mfakto 0.13pre4-Win cl_barrett15_82_gs_2]

found 1 factor for M332426287 from 2^73 to 2^74 (partially tested) [mfakto 0.13pre4-Win cl_barrett15_82_gs_2]

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-09 17:00

Lol! Damn, good job.
I don't know where we are, Uncwilly, with regard to how many 332M numbers get requested in a week vs how many we have factored up to whatever level, but I wonder about factoring these up to 79 at a time rather than going with a more breadth first approach. If only 3 of these a week are requested and we've already got 20 to 79, then by all means, taking these up to 79 is fine. But if 50 a week are requested, well, maybe we should work a block of 50 up a bit level at a time until we're ahead of the curve.

That said, this is your project, and I committed to running whatever numbers you want to whatever level you want. I'll run them up to 85 if you want, w/o complaint. I assume you have this in hand and am not actually questioning your methods, and I understand wanting to do the lower bitdepths on cpu and the higher ones on gpu. I simply don't know where the matter stands, and thought it might be time for a reality check since we ran 13 of these up to 79 w/o a factor.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-09 17:39

Update: The first dozen are [URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=339622#post339622"]here[/URL]. There were no factors. 419.41 GHD/10.
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332216113"]332216113[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-08 01:26 | 322.47 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332205773"][COLOR=#000080]332205773[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-09 17:16 | 322.47 | Testing
[/code]

Uncwilly 2013-05-10 04:39

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;339841]I don't know where we are, Uncwilly, with regard to how many 332M numbers get requested in a week vs how many we have factored up to whatever level,[/quote]I don't know exactly. We do get a fair bit of churn, especially of late, since the expirys from the influx after the prime discovery. Since April 20, there has been a drop of assigned LL's in the 332's from 2408 to 2367 (at one point it was about 2600).

Sure, go after some breadth first. I'll take what ever you like.:tu: GPUto72 has a few at 76, PrimeNet may have some too. Run them up one bit. If you run out of candidates, go from 77 to 78.
Or, you could do some work taking available numbers out to 332,999,999 from 72 to 73, there are ~10,500 of them, lots of factors to find.:smile:
It is all good.:geek:

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-10 14:33

Ok. From what I can tell from the mersenne visualization site, it looks like the 332.2M range alone can cover the entire churn plus the completion rate for some time, so I will restrict myself to that range.

Tracking my work gets very difficult the lower I go anyway. Sorting by exponent (lowest to highest) only shows my lowest 1000 assignments (<31M) and so I sort by highest GHD. If I get below 77 they mix in to the LL range numbers I TF'd to 64/65.

kracker 2013-05-10 15:50

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;339967]
Tracking my work gets very difficult the lower I go anyway. Sorting by exponent (lowest to highest) only shows my lowest 1000 assignments (<31M) and so I sort by highest GHD. If I get below 77 they mix in to the LL range numbers I TF'd to 64/65.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://mersenne.org/results/?exp1=1&execm=1&exll=1&exp_lo=332000000&exp_hi=333000000&B1=Get+results"]http://mersenne.org/results/?exp1=1&execm=1&exll=1&exp_lo=332000000&exp_hi=333000000&B1=Get+results[/URL]

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-10 16:50

[QUOTE=kracker;339972][URL]http://mersenne.org/results/?exp1=1&execm=1&exll=1&exp_lo=332000000&exp_hi=333000000&B1=Get+results[/URL][/QUOTE]

Ah, you know, that's true. I could get the results from primenet itself rather than gpu72, even if I get the work from gpu72. Good call. :)

Uncwilly 2013-05-11 19:38

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;339396]Will be at 400 by close of business (1700 GMT) Monday. Be warned, incoming new hardware should make me even more productive. Don't have the exact date yet, maybe by the end of this week or next.[/QUOTE]New hardware in place. One one machine I am still working on some old TF assignments to clear them out while working on P-1's too.

Now at 465 GHz Days of P-1 done. 7 factors found.

Uncwilly 2013-05-15 01:42

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;340078]Now at 465 GHz Days of P-1 done. 7 factors found.[/QUOTE]524 GHz-days. Next check-in on Sunday or Monday (or Tuesday, your time zone may vary.)

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-15 02:11

Update: The first dozen are [URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=339622#post339622"]here[/URL]. There were no factors. 419.41 GHD/10.
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332216113"][COLOR=#000080]332216113[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-08 01:26 | 322.47 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332205773"][COLOR=#000080]332205773[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-09 17:16 | 322.47 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332207357"]332207357[/URL] | LL TF | 77-79 | 2013-05-12 06:08 | 276.41 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332201717"]332201717[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-14 02:35 | 322.48 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332221639"]332221639[/URL] | LL TF | 77-79 | 2013-05-14 02:35 | 276.38 | No Factor
[/code]

539.18 GHzD/10.

Aramis Wyler 2013-05-17 13:33

I will be in Tennessee on vacation all of next week, so I may fall behind a little on the LMH hours - I like to time them carefully so that a number starts and ends in a day for the graphs. I'll run them flat out for as long as I need to though when I get back to get all caught up. I will be back Saturday (25th) evening, Sunday morning UTC. It will probably be to late for me to start 2 new ones on sunday, but I could do 1 on sunday (across 2 cards) and 2 on monday.

The first dozen are [URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=339622#post339622"]here[/URL]. There were no factors. 419.41 GHD/10.
[code]Number | Work | Range | Date Reserved | GHzD | Status
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332216113"][COLOR=#000080]332216113[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-08 01:26 | 322.47 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332205773"][COLOR=#000080]332205773[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-09 17:16 | 322.47 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332207357"]332207357[/URL] | LL TF | 77-79 | 2013-05-12 06:08 | 276.41 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332201717"]332201717[/URL] | LL TF | 76-79 | 2013-05-14 02:35 | 322.48 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332221639"]332221639[/URL] | LL TF | 77-79 | 2013-05-14 02:35 | 276.38 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332218331"][COLOR=#0066cc]332218331[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 77-79 | 2013-05-16 00:07 | 276.40 | No Factor
[URL="http://www.mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=332222911"][COLOR=#0066cc]332222911[/COLOR][/URL] | LL TF | 77-79 | 2013-05-16 00:07 | 276.40 | No Factor
[/code]

594.46 GHzD/10.

Uncwilly 2013-05-28 19:51

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;340795]I will be in Tennessee on vacation all of next week,
.......
594.46 GHzD/10.[/QUOTE]

I am at 746 GHz-days at the moment. The new hardware is helpful.

Uncwilly 2013-06-03 23:16

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;340795]I will be in Tennessee on vacation all of next week,.....
I will be back Saturday (25th) evening, Sunday morning UTC.[/QUOTE]Aramis has been MIA since then. His twitter is not a very active account. Has he logged in since then?

c10ck3r 2013-06-04 02:55

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but...
I'd be willing to do 2.5 Thz-Days of GPU TF (your choice of range) for an iPhone app to get my exact heading by entering my start coordinates and end coordinates. Needs to allow 9 decimal places for my entries. format would be
Lat (ie) 37.981234432
Long -97.782435987
End Lat 37.983462697
End Long -97.789436899
Would need heading to 6 places, 0 to 359.999999

chalsall 2013-06-04 03:18

[QUOTE=c10ck3r;342447]Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but...
I'd be willing to do 2.5 Thz-Days of GPU TF (your choice of range) for an iPhone app to get my exact heading by entering my start coordinates and end coordinates. Needs to allow 9 decimal places for my entries. format would be
Lat (ie) 37.981234432
Long -97.782435987
End Lat 37.983462697
End Long -97.789436899
Would need heading to 6 places, 0 to 359.999999[/QUOTE]

Would the curvature of the earth be required to be considered?

Must it be an iPhone app?

c10ck3r 2013-06-04 12:12

[QUOTE=chalsall;342448]Would the curvature of the earth be required to be considered?

Must it be an iPhone app?[/QUOTE]

I would need it either on my iPhone, or as a calculator-esque program on a Win32 mobile PC. Either way, it would be designed for while out in the field (literally).
If the curvature of the Earth would cause a change of more than 3 inches over the course of 1000 feet (304.8 meters), then, yes, it would need to be accounted for.

kracker 2013-06-04 14:22

Sounds like your homework, for some reason.

LaurV 2013-06-04 15:15

Somebody is in ballistic missiles business.... :razz:

(btw, my gps software - [URL="http://www.powermap.in.th/"]Powermap [/URL]- is doing that, every time I set a destination, there is an - optional - arrow that points directly to that destination. Even tells me the distance, if I could drive over the landscape and buildings. Technically, a windows application doing this is banal to do. For android however, I don't know, never did android stuff).

c10ck3r 2013-06-04 15:16

[QUOTE=kracker;342472]Sounds like your homework, for some reason.[/QUOTE]

If it was homework, I'd have put it in "Homework Help" :razz:
I'm running a planter using GPS and need an exact heading to orient the plots correctly. The feed from the tractor only gives a heading for the current past 5 feet and only gives it to one decimal place. I'd be using it after the first pass to establish an AB line, which is why I need it to be longer, since (for example) today's plot is 980 feet deep and 320 feet wide, right about 7.2 acres.

chalsall 2013-06-04 19:50

[QUOTE=c10ck3r;342477]I'm running a planter using GPS and need an exact heading to orient the plots correctly.[/QUOTE]

Can the iPhone run Perl? And/or, is there EDGE cellular coverage where you're working (which would allow "outsourcing" the needed processing to an Internet server)?

The reason I ask is [URL="http://search.cpan.org/~jgibson/Geo-Ellipsoid-1.12/lib/Geo/Ellipsoid.pm"]this Perl module[/URL] has just about everything you need.

Xyzzy 2013-06-04 21:52

Apple really does not want any code other than "approved" code running on an IOS device.

:sad:

We program a little on our iPhone and iPad with this app:

[url]https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/codetogo/id382677229[/url]

All it does is offloads the compilation and execution to a different device. It is limited but it is okay for simple stuff. It requires an Internet connection to run the code but you can edit, load and save without a connection.

lycorn 2013-06-04 21:52

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;342441]Aramis has been MIA since then. His twitter is not a very active account. Has he logged in since then?[/QUOTE]

According to his public profile->statistics, the last activity was on May 20th.

davieddy 2013-06-05 07:15

[QUOTE=chalsall;342448]Would the curvature of the earth be required to be considered?[/QUOTE]
The start and finish positions define a plane through the centre of the earth.
The heading is the angle between this plane and the plane of longitude at the time you want the heading.

If you were to consider starting and finishing at different distances from the centre of the earth, this would entail a small correction.

Euler

davieddy 2013-06-05 08:36

[QUOTE=c10ck3r;342447]Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but...
I'd be willing to do 2.5 Thz-Days of GPU TF (your choice of range) for an iPhone app to get my exact heading by entering my start coordinates and end coordinates. Needs to allow 9 decimal places for my entries. format would be
Lat (ie) 37.981234432
Long -97.782435987
End Lat 37.983462697
End Long -97.789436899
Would need heading to 6 places, 0 to 359.999999[/QUOTE]
On this scale the computation is childishly simple:

NS distance is difference in latitude * 2piR/360
EW distance is difference in longitude * 2piRcos(laitude)/360

D

chalsall 2013-06-05 12:47

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[QUOTE=chalsall;342499]And/or, is there EDGE cellular coverage where you're working (which would allow "outsourcing" the needed processing to an Internet server)?[/QUOTE]

Is [URL="https://www.gpu72.com/c10ck3r/"]this useful to you?[/URL] If so, 2.5 THz-Days of GPU TF of "What Makes Sense" to 74 in the LL range would be great! :smile:

Let me know if you'd prefer feet rather than meters.


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