[QUOTE=xilman;514370]Not especially, whether against a human or a machine. I barely know the rules or how to score a position.[/QUOTE]

The point I was /trying/ to make is the example of DeepMind's "AlphaGo", which beat the best human Go player at a game which was generally considered unassailable by AI because the tree-branching is too large to solve by brute-force.

Then came AlphaZero, which taught itself how to play games by itself, better than any human.

[QUOTE=xilman;514370]IMO the ability to play such games is a component of intelligence perhaps but an insignificanlly small one. Rather more interesting would be [I]Diplomacy[/I] or [I]Nomic[/I] or [I]D&D[/I] which may well require any successful AI player to be able to pass a Turing test.[/QUOTE]

I've never played it (I don't play video games), but what about the [URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2019/01/25/deepmind-ai-beats-professional-human-starcraft-ii-players/"]recent annihilation of professional Human StarCraft II players by an AI[/URL]?

And, in my opinion, the Turing test will soon fall, if it hasn't already.

[QUOTE=chalsall;514407]I've never played it (I don't play video games)[/QUOTE]They (not "it" as I named three) are not video games; all are multi-player games and generally between human participants. All require skills which non-human software finds exceedingly difficult. AFAIK, only [I]Diplomacy[/I] has been attempted by so-called AI and the (again AFAIK) performance has been dreadful.

Software can certainly manage the mechanics of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)"]Diplomacy[/URL], [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic"]Nomic[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons"]D&D[/URL] but not (once more AFAIK) take part in the negotiation (and role-playing in the case of D&D) aspects with any notable success.

[QUOTE=xilman;514683]Software can certainly manage the mechanics of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)"]Diplomacy[/URL], [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic"]Nomic[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons"]D&D[/URL] but not (once more AFAIK) take part in the negotiation (and role-playing in the case of D&D) aspects with any notable success.[/QUOTE]

OK. Thank you for that. Very interesting.

Natural language and nuance is difficult for deterministic compute.

Perhaps "wetware" will last a few more years... :smile:

[QUOTE=chalsall;514687]Perhaps "wetware" will last a few more years... :smile:[/QUOTE]
As well as 'wet work'. :stirpot:

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;514690]As well as 'wet work'. :stirpot:[/QUOTE]

ROFL... In some spaces wet work involves knives and other nasty stuff.

In other spaces it simply involves people being rather wet while doing their job.

First the appetizer... [url=https://apnews.com/efad587688314e9b96c81b91bda0fc28]NRA sues longtime ad agency over requests for bill details[/url]

Then the [i]Pièce de coup de gras![/i]

[url=https://apnews.com/a4b597b392d440c79ae2d3f12f1548d6]Infighting erupts at NRA convention, threatening leadership[/url]

[url=https://www.apnews.com/d5d90ab1596f478c8f20d4dbe3f73979]Oliver North out as NRA president after leadership dispute[/url]

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;514945]Then the [i]Pièce de coup de gras![/i][/QUOTE]Sorry, I'm not very good at French. Please explain because I don't see what a lawnmower has to do with the story.

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;514945]Then the [I]Pièce de coup de gras![/I]
[/QUOTE]
I love it! It is the "stroke of fat"! :tu:


[SPOILER]( Coup de gras appears to exist - their poster reminds of the Spinal Tap's "Smell the glove" album cover, ...but is a bit too much to keep here. LMGTFY. )[/SPOILER]

[QUOTE=Batalov;514959]...will remind some of us of the Spinal Tap.
"What's wrong with being sexy?"[/QUOTE]

It reminded me of [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvMoRVrqx_I"]Talk Talk's Life's what you make it.[/URL].

[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48081535[/url]

[QUOTE=xilman;514990][url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48081535[/url][/QUOTE]The link to "America's gun culture in 10 charts" in the story is wrong -- it's the same as the link to the [url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46007707]shooting in Pittsburgh[/url] just above. The correct link to "America's gun culture in 10 charts" is [url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081]here[/url].