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It seems our latest Hero is an employee coming to work on the day he was being fired. So, this can be dealt with by making sure no employees know they're being fired until security shows up at their work station and escorts them off the premises. If memory serves, Henry Ford's thug-in-chief Harry Bennett like to do this sort of thing, but more brutally.

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[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;508876]So, this can be dealt with by making sure no employees know they're being fired until security shows up at their work station and escorts them off the premises.[/QUOTE]In almost all of the USA, public employees are afforded 'due process' in their terminations if it is 'for cause' (not probationary and not an 'at will' job.) They can see the train coming for sometime before it arrives. Senior employees that have done things that are illegal are often afforded the chance to retire forthwith. This allows them to keep their benefits and avoids all of the trouble of the hearings etc. Generally if they take the retirement, they are no prosecuted.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;508878]In almost all of the USA, public employees are afforded 'due process' in their terminations if it is 'for cause' (not probationary and not an 'at will' job.) [/QUOTE]

I have only ever worked in the private sector. But I was always trained that if I was ever going to "let someone go" it is best to revoke all their privileges at about midnight, including their access to the building(s). Any personal possessions they might have at their desks would be delivered to them, and any severance owed would be paid promptly.

But, I have never worked in the (Great?) US of A. Projectile weapons weren't generally available to my employees....

[url=https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-met-aurora-shooting-lawsuit-vincente-juarez-20190320-story.html]Wrongful death lawsuit against Illinois State Police filed by family of Aurora mass shooting victim[/url][quote]The family of a man slain in last month’s [url=https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-tribune-coverage-aurora-mass-shooting-gallery-20190216-storygallery.html]mass shooting in Aurora[/url] has filed a lawsuit against the Illinois State Police for issuing a firearm license to the convicted felon who opened fire in the plant during a termination hearing.
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Records show the Mississippi conviction was never entered into the national databases, which were designed to make sure criminal histories are accessible to law enforcement agencies across the country.[/quote]

This brings up the issue of "sovereign immunity." The Eleventh Amendment clearly states that Federal jurisdiction does not extend to citizens of [i]one[/i] state suing [i]another[/i] state, but apparently the Supremes have held that they can't sue their [i]own[/i] state, either. At least, not in Federal court. They [i]can[/i], however, sue state [i]agencies,[/i] which they are doing in this case (the Illinois State Police). They might now go after whatever Mississippi state agency was supposed to put the felony conviction into the federal database...

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;511400][url=https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-met-aurora-shooting-lawsuit-vincente-juarez-20190320-story.html]Wrongful death lawsuit against Illinois State Police filed by family of Aurora mass shooting victim[/url][/QUOTE]So what now? Employers are scared to fire anyone for fear of being killed. Which naturally extends to being scared to hire anyone in case they need to be fired later. Which leads to society breakdown and everyone goes back to being hunter gatherers. Hmm, might not be such a bad thing after all. :tu:

[QUOTE=retina;511404]So what now? Employers are scared to fire anyone for fear of being killed. Which naturally extends to being scared to hire anyone in case they need to be fired later. Which leads to society breakdown and everyone goes back to being hunter gatherers. Hmm, might not be such a bad thing after all. :tu:[/QUOTE]I dare say, not everyone. I don't know offhand the largest human population that could persist as hunter-gatherers, but I am quite sure it is a small fraction of the current human population. The knowledge of how to live that way is also not very common.

I am reminded of a line from Cyril Kornbluth's SF story [i]The Marching Morons:[/i][quote]Five billion corpses mean about five hundred million tons of rotting flesh.[/quote]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/us/unlicensed-gun-dealers-law-invs/[/url]

[url=https://www.cpr.org/news/story/denver-metro-schools-closed-wednesday-as-massive-manhunt-for-sol-pais-is-underway]FBI Says Community Threat Is Over, Confirms Sol Pais Found Dead[/url][quote]Denver-area public schools, as well as schools in Northern Colorado, were closed Wednesday as the FBI hunted for an armed young Florida woman who was allegedly "infatuated" with Columbine and threatened violence just days ahead of the 20th anniversary of the attack. All classes and extracurricular activities for about a half-million students were canceled as a precaution.

Sol Pais, an 18-year-old Miami Beach high school student, flew to Colorado Monday night and bought a pump-action shotgun and ammunition, authorities said.

The FBI said late Wednesday morning there was "no longer a threat to the community" and later confirmed that Sol Pais was dead. In a morning news conference, Jefferson County Sheriff Jeff Shrader said she was found near the base of Mount Evans with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.[/quote]
Looks like she knew the game was up -- she was known to be on the prowl, every LEO around was hunting for her, and her intended targets had been taken out of harm's way.

Still -- it's kind of disconcerting to think she was able to fly from Florida to Colorado, then buy a shotgun and ammo.

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;511409]I dare say, not everyone. I don't know offhand the largest human population that could persist as hunter-gatherers, but I am quite sure it is a small fraction of the current human population. The knowledge of how to live that way is also not very common.

I am reminded of a line from Cyril Kornbluth's SF story [I]The Marching Morons:[/I][/QUOTE]
Figures I've been able to find online for human population prior to development of agriculture are of order 1 million to 50 million, quite a contrast to our current ~7.6 billion plus and climbing. The survivors long term are below the level of rounding of the current count. That means a lot of rotting corpses in short order initially, which means likelihood of pandemics (the large scale version of dysentery and other disease that sets in in refugee camps with inadequate public health and sanitation measures). The early winners are probably those who are armed and prepped and keep a low profile in the early going. Shelter, access to clean water, protective clothing, some nonperishable food stocks, hand tools, seed, and long shelf life medicine are probably more important than big stocks of ammo for survival prospects. Other species would be significantly affected, and not all for the better; housecats would lose their food subsidy and might be exploited as food source by both the remaining humans, and a variety of canids. Deer, especially the American whitetail, would drop in numbers drastically, both from hunting pressure, and from loss of the food-rich farm fields they currently rely on heavily, foraging for missed soybeans, alfalfa, and corn kernels from harvest until spring brings forbs to graze on. It could also be a hardship for the Norway rat, a variety of mice, and other species. Domesticated chickens and most other livestock in particular. It's not practical to sustain much in the way of technology with such a small human population. Over a period of many generations, the means of hunting would devolve to what one or a few people can make without much in the way of metallurgy or chemistry or energy expenditure or beyond readily accessible materials like wood, bone, or stone. Most mineral deposits readily accessible have already been exploited. Landfills and recydling businesses could constitute local exploitable resources of additional materials. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population[/url]