[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/guns-killed-more-people-on-christmas-in-the-u-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/[/URL]

[QUOTE]The 27 people killed by guns in America on Christmas this year is equal to the total number of people killed in gun homicides in an entire year in Austria, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, Estonia, Bermuda, Hong Kong and Iceland, combined.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;420371][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/guns-killed-more-people-on-christmas-in-the-u-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/[/URL][/QUOTE]

That ignores these deaths: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks#Ut.C3.B8ya"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks#Ut.C3.B8ya[/URL]

Weighting the numbers on the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate"]table here[/URL], one could expect an average of 14.4 deaths per day for the average of those countries.

If one were to take the Norway numbers from 2011 instead of 2012, that would mess with the total.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/31/florida-mother-shoots-and-killed-daughter-mistook-for-intruder.html"]Florida mother shoots and killed daughter she mistook for intruder[/URL][QUOTE]St. Cloud police Sgt. Denise Roberts said Wednesday that the 45-year-old mother was asleep when she heard someone enter her home shortly before midnight Tuesday. The mother told police she heard footsteps approaching quickly so she fired a single shot.

Roberts said the daughter had been visiting from North Carolina and didn't live in the home.

St. Cloud police officials said the mother is a 911 dispatcher for Osceola County and her husband is a St. Cloud police corporal.[/QUOTE]

Edit:
That is how fox news reported it.
The Orlando Sentinel says:
[QUOTE]But not once during the five-minute 911 call does Campbell, a veteran member of the St. Cloud Police Department, mention why Doby was struggling to breathe: a gunshot wound to the chest.

Campbell omitted that fact because he was asleep when his wife shot Doby, mistaking her for an intruder, police said on Wednesday. He didn't realize what happened until his wife — a 911 dispatcher with the Osceola County Sheriff's Office – explained it to him, according to authorities.[/QUOTE]
ahem, a veteran officer is unaware of a gunshot in his own home. Cough cough gunsmoke. I'm just saying.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/ammon-bundy-speaks-occupied-oregon-refuge-important-people/story?id=36078727[/url]

[QUOTE]Ammon Bundy, one of the armed militia members occupying a building on federal land at an Oregon national wildlife refuge, told ABC News this morning that, while their protest is peaceful, the group is armed "because we understand that in order to truly express our 1st Amendment rights, we have to have our 2nd Amendment rights."[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison[/url]

[QUOTE]The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.[/QUOTE]

the right to be alarmed... yep totally suited for this situation...
Those people occupying the federal building should be treated the same way terrorist are. Their gun will be retrieved from their still warm dead hands.

As with most situations the reality is complicated. In this case by a certain antagonism that certain Mormon factions feel toward the Government.

[url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/heres-what-you-need-to-understand-about-mormon-history-if-yo#.bkElEpWMv[/url]

However, let's not call them militias. These guys are, at best, whiny children with guns, and at worst domestic terrorists (it's hard for me to justify calling a group whose main threat so far is taking over a building that nobody cares about actual terrorists. Maybe potential terrorists. Terrorist lite[SUP]tm[/SUP] or VanillaISIS.

escuse my lack of knowledge of oregon's law, but isn't taking over a federal building with weapon a federal offence/crime?

[QUOTE=firejuggler;421231]escuse my lack of knowledge of oregon's law, but isn't taking over a federal building with weapon a federal offence/crime?[/QUOTE]

Possibly.

But maybe this is just known as a Barbecue in around those parts....

[QUOTE=chalsall;421236]But maybe this is just known as a Barbecue in around those parts....[/QUOTE]

Hmmm... [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-protest/"]This might explain what they are complaining about[/URL].

I'm going to stamp my little feet until people pay attention to me!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=firejuggler;421231]escuse my lack of knowledge of oregon's law, but isn't taking over a federal building with weapon a federal offence/crime?[/QUOTE]

Oregon law doesn't apply. The question is, What is the appropriate response?

I haven't seen anyone yet claim that they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions (including themselves--though they seem to think that their armed insurrection is more important than it actually is).

[QUOTE=chappy;421240]The question is, What is the appropriate response?[/QUOTE]

I'm going to argue only enough to stop to a dangerous situation.

No more, and no less.