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Kathegetes 2012-07-05 13:04

real people at last
 
Hello,
A kind person helped me get here. Thank You. I think I may be able to find my way here again. If stupid is as stupid does, I did not give up; and can now sit back and laugh. I first made contact with Gimps on Halloween 2009. I got the test and began on 346348367. It is about 1O% so far. My friend and geometry teacher babysits the laptop and pays the bill. He is in Wisconsin. I am in Paris.
If I could check the work thread from here I wouldn't be a pest. I wonder and worry. Time is of the essence now. Gimps will get there after 2038, the proving will burn out the fan motor before complete about 2O29. I will never be a bride, have lots of children running around on a pretty little farm with cows wearing mascara, or spend the prize on a robot that is good with a pitchfork and can whip my camel to victory on her days off like the friends in my chess club have. C'est la vie.
So my perfect numbers lather, rinse, repeat prior to their dreamy wedding day when they will be adorned by others in long triangular trains and veils with their bodices embroidered in pearls summing and accentuating their true shape, form, and preposition among the abstract figurate essentials and divined archetypes that weep tears in abundance upon the lost lambs of logic producing the illusion of order in the chaos of this trivial cosmos.
You will not be able to see or hear me in the natural beauty of my eureka moment, but I will leave you all with a little theorem and a precious jewel for your abacus project. Fear not! You still have plenty to do. Let the Fates, Graces, and Muses guide you in spreading and distributing the mantle I leave in the wake of my absence. Said the Little Red Hen to the Shooting Star...... " Who will gather my eggs and prepare for the feast?"

c10ck3r 2012-07-05 16:10

What.the.heck.did.I.just.read.?!?
You just managed to make daveiddy seem intelligent by comparison...

NBtarheel_33 2012-07-05 16:22

Truly an early contender for POTY 2012, but perhaps more to the point, a referendum on Bib Silverman's return. Only he could possibly discern the mathematics from this nugget of wisdom.

BTW I'll never be a bride either, save for a scenario in which I should find myself incarcerated in a North American correctional system. Bummer. But I hear it's overrated anyway. Very high divorce rates, don't you know.

And please refrain from shampooing your LL candidates. It wreaks havoc on the RAM, which of course, I'm sure you are aware of the requirement of ECC RAM by such a large test.

Buy a new computer and you'll be finished way before 2029 or 2038.

LaurV 2012-07-05 16:22

I think that was a (not very successful) joke. That expo is factored, it has a very small factor 21136255444543.

Uncwilly 2012-07-05 23:35

[CODE]p q
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Kathegetes 2012-07-10 17:45

from Katheges
 
Although, I don't think it is very nice to make fun of people you don't know, especially since I was merely trying to describe myself a bit. However many people do think I'm unusual, so that much is correct. As Ockam said: all it takes is one to put the masses to flight. The important thing is that I got any response at all, and for this I am grateful. You may please address me personally. I do not cast my pearls before swine.

I'm very interested in the exponent I'm testing having a proven divisor as stated by LaurV being 21136255444543. I was certain that I had proven it had no prime divisors less than 2[SUP]57[/SUP]. The Lucas-Lehmer test of my M is only 10% complete. If LaurV is correct I have lived to see it through. Thank you very much. This will save my geometry teacher many years and the electricity bill. Can anyone confirm LaurV for me please?

KyleAskine 2012-07-10 17:52

[URL="http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/exponent.php?exponentdetails=346348367"]http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/exponent.php?exponentdetails=346348367[/URL]

Dubslow 2012-07-10 18:12

[QUOTE=KyleAskine;304406][URL="http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/exponent.php?exponentdetails=346348367"]http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/exponent.php?exponentdetails=346348367[/URL][/QUOTE]

Which in turn gets its info from [url]http://mersenne.org/report_exponent/?exp_lo=346348367[/url] ...

Uncwilly 2012-07-11 00:23

From Factor5, it found it in seconds when I ran it only to 2^50.
[CODE]Trial-factoring M346348367 in [2^1, 2^60-1]
M346348367 has a factor: 21136255444543 - Program: L5.0x
M346348367 has 1 factors in [2^1, 2^60-1].[/CODE]

Kathegetes 2012-07-11 20:22

More Data Please
 
Checking on all given by you folks and Gimps reports; all that is lacking is the essentials required to maintain integrity. Whom do I thank for finding the factor? Exactly how much time have I wasted since Oct. 31, 09 ? What is the definition of an "assignment"? Should I at least offer to pay my geometry teacher for the electricity? It's a dual processor Alienware ugly blue laptop. A fellow in the Army donated it for the project prior to overseas duty. He is still interested and might let me use it. I actually do know a lot about animals, sewing, and I do play chess with wealthy Arabs. They race camels, but none of them has one of those robots yet. I think its creepy and lazy, they don't have legs or do manure obviously. On the bride, gown, veil, pearl analogy etc., I see it wasn't quite the invitation to inspire meaningful dialog. If a number is not a beautiful thing in and of itself, I am not even or oddly wrong. As for who knows what, how's about a little game of put your money where your opinions originate? I'll make a statement anyone proud of their pentaflop can't resist attempting to disprove. 1st... Perfection comes from perfection is Kathegete's statement; to wit, given a perfect number I must prove it gives a greater perfect number fully adorned. 2nd... Agreement upon the odds. 3rd... Agreement upon the spoils. 4th...Agreement upon the arbiters as all members ( living, active, present and sworn as witnesses to the event ); plus the combined computational limits of GIMPS et.al.(during the event should it be reasonable or necessary as determined by the members present). 5th... Kathegetes gives the math; comers,takers, wagerers give Pn, calculate, produce, or overflow,zip up, learn respect, pay what is due.

Dubslow 2012-07-12 00:48

The server doesn't record who found factors to keep database size down.

If you get an LL assignment from PrimeNet, which Prime95 can do automatically (or you can do it on your own [URL="http://mersenne.org/manual_assignment/"]manually[/URL]), you will be assigned an exponent that has been well trial factored.

Préférez-vous parler en français? J'en connais un peu et il y a au moins une autre personne sur cet forum qui est français.

cheesehead 2012-07-12 06:10

[QUOTE=Dubslow;304505]
Préférez-vous parler en français? J'en connais un peu et il y a au moins une autre personne sur cet forum qui est français.[/QUOTE]... and there's [url]http://www.microsofttranslator.com/[/url] for those of us wishing to follow along. :smile:

Kathegetes 2012-07-13 16:30

Thank you very much Dubslow and Cheesehead. That explains a lot. Do I have to be LL testing to be a member of this club? I sort of do and don't want to tell Larry (geo-teacher-mentor) about the divisor. I sent him an email about Paris figuring he might tell me if [I] he [/I] found the divisor. I figure GIMPS checks every 70 minutes, right? Then there is the proverb about right hand not paying attention to left. Please assure me that is all it is. I have a charitable imagination and can't fathom being assigned such a project after the fact(or). What I was trying to do was make "Contact" that would enable me to access the work thread while nannying since I get to use the computer when the kids are at the creche.
A week ago Friday I went to LIP 6 and was introduced to real mathematicians. Each department head posed some problem that seemed interesting. I got to add my scribble to the bottom of amazing (labyrinthian) blackboards. Everybody knew "just the guy to see" as I was escorted (pushed) down the halls to meet the multitude of singularity guises. Finally a distinguished grandfather figure in probability (whom I must return and thank ) sent me across the Seine to the right man. I mistakenly thought I was being pounded off, parted out, "here's your hat...", dumped upon some poor unwitting graduate student. I could not have been more wrong.
I can't wait to tell you, or show numbers (which is what I like). Suffice it to say the children were picked up by their mother ( who left work knowing how much this meant to me) as champaign flowed. Next step I guess..." Break out the Big Boy Willie." q.v. Little Red Hen, or, High Priestess of the Desert.

NBtarheel_33 2012-07-13 18:39

Well, you should probably advise your teacher, lest you continue to waste his effort on a multi-decade LL test of a number already having a factor.

You should also be aware that any test of this size *requires* the use of ECC RAM, rather than regular, every day RAM. There have been several pioneers who have attempted LL tests on numbers of similar size to yours with regular consumer RAM. These tests have spanned multiple years, but every one to date has had a suspect result due to errors in the course of the test.

You would be better suited at this point to run mainstream (e.g. 50M-65M) tests for now. Less test time and chance of error.

Batalov 2012-07-13 18:46

LL does not find divisors*. LL is an algorithm that produces only a yes/no answer as an output. It is already known that this answer [U]will be[/U] "no, not prime" because this number is composite (it has a factor). There is absolutely no point in running (or continuing running) that particular multi-year LL.

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* [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/various/math.php"]This webpage[/URL] may help to get an easy introduction into the search process.

Dubslow 2012-07-13 19:12

And no, Prime95 will not check with PrimeNet to see if there's a factor; it was designed to use as little bandwidth as possible, and checking for factors every 70 minutes is just a waste of bandwidth.

Kathegetes 2012-07-13 19:34

Thank you all for your help. I will tell my teacher to save the computer. Obviously I don't yet know much about these things, but you guys sure do. As for communicating in French I really should be as I need the practice but I speak the French of a Spanish cow. (I'm only here for the summer.) I can't wait to show you all something meaningful. Do any of you ladies/fellows happen to like physics? Like quantum gravity stuff? Here I don't have a single word to say it's allllllll math.

Kathegetes 2012-07-22 13:54

Thanks for guidence
 
[QUOTE=Batalov;304650]LL does not find divisors*. LL is an algorithm that produces only a yes/no answer as an output. It is already known that this answer [U]will be[/U] "no, not prime" because this number is composite (it has a factor). There is absolutely no point in running (or continuing running) that particular multi-year LL.

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* [URL="http://www.mersenne.org/various/math.php"]This webpage[/URL] may help to get an easy introduction into the search process.[/QUOTE]

I got a look at " this webpage". I just saw more about factoring than I ever imagined. I think I can, I think I can learn it. I read about five of those "Golden Books" per day. This red painted tug-boat got rescued and is safe in the tub. I have to get back to LIP 6 though. I'll keep you all informed about the results. Oh, I don't have a computer. I get to one occasionally. I write programs thought, mostly physics for fun. I calculate on a pocket device that eliminates borrowing and carrying errors. In second grade memorization of 7+8 =9+6=15 led to 7*8=9*6=55. Teacher said "God doesn't think so". I suggested we could plead with His mother to make math easier on kids. That turned out to be why I am here again. A theory children can understand will be correct. I'm teaching (just tutoring) girls this time around the block.
(15*15-8*8-7*7)/4 is Perfect...so
Let q be some even quantity of ones in a bi-nary pyramid of ones.
Let A be the line value as 2^q-1=A.
Let (A-1)/2=B
Let A-B=C
How many lines (Asq.-Bsq-Csq)/4 =Perfect ?

1
1 1
1 1 1
1 1 1 1
Obviously I need to figure out how to type math on computers. I pay a girl to do it (better grades). I watch but her fingers just fly. She makes pretty papers and can get them from a flash-drive to my teacher's email. Sometimes Greek symbols seem to get stuck in space. I can lick stamps and solve problems, but I can't move a mouse to save my immortal soul. I hope that is not on the test.


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