[QUOTE=manfred4;387797]looks like we will be releasing no more Cat4 LLs below 74 anymore for quite some time, but the buffer for the Cat4DC (which seems to be about 7000 assignments) will run out not in close to a year, but rather in ... a week?[/QUOTE]

Indeed.

I also didn't appreciate just how many of the LL TF Cat 4 assignments go to heuristically likely "churners" (read: first time users && stress testers who can't read).

Although this probably means that, like George said, ~60,000 DC TF Cat 4 assignments will be needed; GPU72 has only appropriately TF'ed ~20,000 candidates in that range (and averaging ~250 a day).

But the good news is, if LL Cat 4 behaviour is any indication, ~93% of them will simply timeout in 60 days and renter the pool; we'll process most of them "at the end of the day".

I would argue that it is better to save a LL than a DC, and that George's "tweak" is a very good idea.

That's mostley true, but I think, that some of the LLTF work should be headed back to DCTF again.
A single saved LL test is worth more than a DC test, but to save a DC test much less work is needed. So the same amount of work will be saved, no matter if you do LLTF to 74 or DCTF to 71 all the time.

I for myself will go back to DCTF for my PCs again for some time, I liked that much more anyway, because you can see the results much quicker and feel like having done more (although I know its even either way)

Hmm, so we are now probably well ahead in cat4 range to 74... Does it make sense to bring cat2/3 to 75?

[QUOTE=manfred4;387800]That's mostley true, but I think, that some of the LLTF work should be headed back to DCTF again.

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I for myself will go back to DCTF for my PCs again for some time, I liked that much more anyway, because you can see the results much quicker and feel like having done more (although I know its even either way)[/QUOTE]

You beat me to it! :smile:

I had intended to follow up and mention that with the heavy LL requests in the Cat 4 zones transfered from LL to DC, it wouldn't be a bad idea for some of the LL TF firepower to move down to DC TF until the demand / recycling algorithm stablies the zone (read: in about 60 days).

Balance the load's and work between the LL TF and DC TF though (read: not every LL TF'er should jump over to DC'ing; we're still going to need additional LL TF'ing).

(And, as always, anyone is free to do any kind of work they enjoy doing.)

[QUOTE=NickOfTime;387801]Hmm, so we are now probably well ahead in cat4 range to 74... Does it make sense to bring cat2/3 to 75?[/QUOTE]

Interesting question... :smile:

I would like to suggest we wait at least 60 days until the Cat 4 demand type shift completes. Then we can better understand exactly where we stand with regards to demand and available FirePower[SUP](TM)[/SUP], and make the decision then.

But, yes, we should be going to 75 for most of the LL TF zone already; we may perhaps soon be able to! :yay:

for my graphics card going to 75 Bit should be done from 70M up according to the charts at mersenne.ca. But I think in 60 days when the recycling is back to normal the need in the LL range will be raised again, because there won't be churners left to take away the assignments.

But one more thing for this now: You said there is one person doing 38M 69-70 by himself? Looks like the assignments there will be given out for DC in a week so you should grab at least the assignments there at 70bits and maybe soon the other ones too. Just nothing slips through at 69.

[QUOTE=manfred4;387805]But I think in 60 days when the recycling is back to normal the need in the LL range will be raised again, because there won't be churners left to take away the assignments.[/QUOTE]

Respectfully, nope. It's a function of production and demand.

Over the last 30 days, the average amount of LL's actually completed per day was ~250.

Over the last 30 days, the everage amount of LLTF'ing to 74 or above was ~445. As Primenet is currently raising the LL Cat 4 range by 120 a day, up to 370 candidates need to be approriately TF'ed (although I think this redrection of Cat 4 is going result in the 120 a day being much less impactful.

[QUOTE=manfred4;387805]You said there is one person doing 38M 69-70 by himself? Looks like the assignments there will be given out for DC in a week so you should grab at least the assignments there at 70bits and maybe soon the other ones too. Just nothing slips through at 69.[/QUOTE]

I've been thinking of how to handle this...

I try to not "step on toes", so will try to get in contact with the worker to figure out how to handle this (I think he's on this forum).

If this doesn't happen before any in DC Cat 4 are about to be issued at below 70 bits, I'll reactivate one of my spiders with a "rip courd" to monitor the DC range, and release at 70 bits below 38M if anything is about to be released at only 69 bits.

It's going to take me approximately 20 days to DCTF the 2800 assignments I've reserved in 36M from 70->71. Would it be best if I unreserved a bunch to leave me with only a week's worth?

[QUOTE=Mark Rose;387811]It's going to take me approximately 20 days to DCTF the 2800 assignments I've reserved in 36M from 70->71. Would it be best if I unreserved a bunch to leave me with only a week's worth?[/QUOTE]

If you wanted to squeeze every last possible cycle out of the overall system, then yes, it would be best (as higher candidates are more expensive to LL than TF).

But, the increased throughput is probably so tiny as I think it's not worth your time and effort. And, we _are_ going to be releasing DC Cat 4 at 69 within two weeks or so.

One thought though -- consider going to 70 for a while when available....

[QUOTE=chalsall;387812]If you wanted to squeeze every last possible cycle out of the overall system, then yes, it would be best (as higher candidates are more expensive to LL than TF).

But, the increased throughput is probably so tiny as I think it's not worth your time and effort. And, we _are_ going to be releasing DC Cat 4 at 69 within two weeks or so.

One thought though -- consider going to 70 for a while when available....[/QUOTE]

There's not much -> 70 work at GPU72 right now, only 18 days worth at my current throughput. Can we pull more work in?

[QUOTE=Mark Rose;387813]There's not much -> 70 work at GPU72 right now, only 18 days worth at my current throughput. Can we pull more work in?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but it's only valuable if everything below is also assigned to someone to hold for TF'ing. I'll do my be to get in touch with HBendtz to explain what's going on, and that we need to reserve all of 38M and 39M to allow GPU72 to temporarily TF to 70.

But still, this isn't going to completely mitigate the situation; some DC Cat 4 *IS* going to be released at 69 for at least the next 60 days -- we simply don't have the firepower to prevent this.