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JohnFullspeed 2011-07-10 16:26

Math concpt
 
In fact when we say 'Eratosthenes sieve' which is the math concept:

1- The method of removing all bad values to have the good
2 The method it self: taker p and invalidate p1,p2 p3,p4
The two : how to make the prime list?.
i/e what a new sieve must do to be a new sieve
Thanks
John

science_man_88 2011-07-10 16:51

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Eratosthenes[/url]

Christenson 2011-07-10 20:29

[QUOTE=JohnFullspeed;266012]In fact when we say 'Eratosthenes sieve' which is the math concept:

1- The method of removing all bad values to have the good
[Any program that does this for a large class of "bad" values in an attempt to find a small class of "good" values is referred to as a "sieve", as in NFS, MPQS, Sieve of Aitkin, Sieve of Eratosthenes.]
2 The method it self: taker p and invalidate p1,p2 p3,p4
[This is the sieve of Eratosthenes...eliminating multiples of P from your list of possible prime numbers].

The two : how to make the prime list?.
i/e what a new sieve must do to be a new sieve
Thanks
John[/QUOTE]

The sieve of John Fullspeed must either
1) Do something useful that is different than finding prime numbers (and do it in a way not obviously equivalent to someone else's way of doing it)
or
2) Find prime numbers in a way that is not obviously equivalent to one of the known sieves.

If you want to do either, you will need to carry out Richard Silverman's advice, and not just the part directed to you. That famous professor you mentioned in another thread might also be able to give you some pointers, or help you get a degree in mathematics.

The third, more likely possibility is that you implement eratosthenes sieve better than others. It's still a rough task; begin by studying jasonp's code and others.

JohnFullspeed 2011-07-11 06:53

John Sieve
 
[QUOTE=Christenson;266030]The sieve of John Fullspeed must either
1) Do something useful that is different than finding prime numbers (and do it in a way not obviously equivalent to someone else's way of doing it)
or
2) Find prime numbers in a way that is not obviously equivalent to one of the known sieves.

If you want to do either, you will need to carry out Richard Silverman's advice, and not just the part directed to you. That famous professor you mentioned in another thread might also be able to give you some pointers, or help you get a degree in mathematics.

The third, more likely possibility is that you implement eratosthenes sieve better than others. It's still a rough task; begin by studying jasonp's code and others.[/QUOTE]


1- Do something new: I begin by creating a List with all the primed
not 2 < x < n

2- I remove composite value of my list not the multiple
n
3- My sieve go speeder that all the actual sieve for a technical reason not because a better implementation..?

My sieve is especial good for twin research and Sophie Germain it gives strong candidates ((not all the primes)
It create a twin mask that you can use starting from arbitrary number

You need less tha1 second to find candidats
and less 1 second to says if is a twin of a SG.

Is It a new sieve ora sppeder version of etastho...
The suestion is tha: well qualify the method

John


PS
I don't understad

[QUOTE]you will need[COLOR=Red] to carry out[/COLOR] Richard Silverman's advice, and not just the[COLOR=DarkRed] part directed to you.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

NBtarheel_33 2011-07-11 08:16

[QUOTE=JohnFullspeed;266066]1- Do something new: I begin by creating a List with all the primed
not 2 < x < n

2- I remove composite value of my list not the multiple
n
3- My sieve go speeder that all the actual sieve for a technical reason not because a better implementation..?

My sieve is especial good for twin research and Sophie Germain it gives strong candidates ((not all the primes)
It create a twin mask that you can use starting from arbitrary number

You need less tha1 second to find candidats
and less 1 second to says if is a twin of a SG.

Is It a new sieve ora sppeder version of etastho...
The suestion is tha: well qualify the method

John


PS
I don't understad[/QUOTE]

Suggestion: Either you have taken too many drugs, or you are in dire need of a new keyboard and/or typing lessons. Please rectify the situation as appropriate before posting again. Thanks.

cmd 2011-07-11 08:38

° p^2

°°:
+2*p

2 ___ (..3-1)=..2 [..5"[B]c[/B]" [B]ignore[/B] ]
4 ___ (..1+3)=..4 [.."[B]c[/B]"]
6 ___ (..9-3)=..6 [.."[B]c[/B]"]
8 ___ (..7+1)=..8 [.."[B]c[/B]"]

:°°

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JohnFullspeed 2011-07-11 11:21

Bettter idea
 
[QUOTE=NBtarheel_33;266071]Suggestion: Either you have taken too many drugs, or you are in dire need of a new keyboard and/or typing lessons. Please rectify the situation as appropriate before posting again. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=5]I give you my ASC(Ataxie), you change the police size to 26 , you post in French . We shall see you do less errors than me[/SIZE]

JOHN

JohnFullspeed 2011-07-11 11:49

[QUOTE=cmd;266072]° p^2

°°:
+2*p

2 ___ (..3-1)=..2 [..5"[B]c[/B]" [B]ignore[/B] ]
4 ___ (..1+3)=..4 [.."[B]c[/B]"]
6 ___ (..9-3)=..6 [.."[B]c[/B]"]
8 ___ (..7+1)=..8 [.."[B]c[/B]"]

:°°

(?[/QUOTE]≈
It's funny to laugh of handicap but be careful tomorrow it's can be you who choice a wheelchair (with a doc i french size 6)
I ithink that the artificial intelligencer can do nothing for you: try with the
monkeys

You prefer be Blind or Deaf? No problrm for me me I am the two...

John

cmd 2011-07-11 13:48

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JohnFullspeed 2011-07-11 16:24

iI'm happy
 
[SIZE=4]To [/SIZE][SIZE=4]see what nice picture you give and the forum also of USA
[/SIZE][SIZE=4]Be quiet you don't give the desir to go to USA
Begin by learn what is respect and after you perhaps stop to make stupid war. CMD you are not in Baghdad to die for Coca or Texan ?


[/SIZE]
[SIZE=6][SIZE=4]May God [/SIZE][SIZE=4]save America : it needs.[/SIZE]
[/SIZE]

R.D. Silverman 2011-07-11 16:59

[QUOTE=NBtarheel_33;266071]Suggestion: Either you have taken too many drugs, or you are in dire need of a new keyboard and/or typing lessons. Please rectify the situation as appropriate before posting again. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Please keep in mind that English is not his first language; His English
is about on a par with my French........:smile:


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