20 Questions - round 3
 

The goal is to guess what the OP is thinking of, within 20 questions (as a group).

The current rule set:[LIST=1][*]The original poster will state the general type (for the item thought of): animal, vegetable, mineral, mixed (to be used only when the object is quite mixed), other. [*]Yes or No are the main answers. The OP will try to stick with those without explanation.[*]Questions will be taken in turn. i.e. The second question may not be asked until the first is answered.[*]If the answer is "yes", the asker of that question gets to ask the next question, they may not ask it before the previous qustion has been answered. If the answer is "no", someone else get to ask the next question and the asker that got the "no" answer must wait 24 hours before they can ask another question.[*]The asker must mark their post with the question number.[*]There maybe a 21st question of "Is it....", provided that the 20th question was answered "yes".[*]If it is successfully guessed, the one that got it gets to think up the next item.[*]Except 'point of order' posts, recaps, and clarifiactions: side discussions are discouraged.[/LIST]See [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Questions[/url]

General type:
Mixed

1) Is it part-animal?

[QUOTE=cheesehead;235018]1) Is it part-animal?[/QUOTE]

No, as far as I know.

2) Is it man-made?

[QUOTE=lavalamp;235020]2) Is it man-made?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

3) Does it have wheels?

[QUOTE=lavalamp;235023]3) Does it have wheels?[/QUOTE]

No.

4) does it have soil involved ?

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235046]4) does it have soil involved ?[/QUOTE]

Sort of. All major parts in it are acquired from (or otherwise require) soil. (for more information, you'll have to ask a more specific question :smile:)
(you may ask the next question)

5) is it mulch and or fertilizer ?

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235048]5) is it mulch and or fertilizer ?[/QUOTE]

No.

6) Is it a food item?

[QUOTE=axn;235065]6) Is it a food item?[/QUOTE]

No.

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235047]Sort of. All major parts in it are acquired from (or otherwise require) soil. (for more information, you'll have to ask a more specific question :smile:)
(you may ask the next question)[/QUOTE]

I was mistaken in my thinking of what exactly "soil" is. Correction: One major part usually requires soil. Another does not directly involve soil. I'm not saying whether there are exactly two major parts.

Just a few suggestions for whoever has the question.
Establish uniqueness - Is there one or many?
If many, are they all the same / are we looking for a specific instance?
By requiring "soil" are we talking about bricks and mortar or similar construction materials? However there's got to be more to it than just that.
How big is it? backyard barbecue, house or interstate highway/ Hoover dam?

[QUOTE=pjaj;235075]Just a few suggestions for whoever has the question.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
I guess you're not currently taking part directly so:

7) Is it (normally) intended for the use of the general public?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235083]7) Is it (normally) intended for the use of the general public?[/QUOTE]

Somewhat. Anyone can buy one, but not everyone is able to use it well.
(Edit: you can ask the next question)

8) When someone buys one, can they reasonably carry it home there and then?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235103]8) When someone buys one, can they reasonably carry it home there and then?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235089]Somewhat. Anyone can buy one, but not everyone is able to use it well.
(Edit: you can ask the next question)[/QUOTE]On the off chance that this is a gun, please be aware that in civilised countries, not just anyone can buy one. :wink:

Admittedly unlikely with the mention of some parts requiring soil, but some guns do have wooden bits.

[QUOTE=lavalamp;235105]On the off chance that this is a gun, please be aware that in civilised countries, not just anyone can buy one. :wink:

Admittedly unlikely with the mention of some parts requiring soil, but some guns do have wooden bits.[/QUOTE]
I sense an idea for a new discussion in the soap box. :uncwilly:
Still, I'm sure Mini-Geek's aware of this particular cultural difference.:smile:

Back to business:
9) Is it used for entertainment?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235083]Thanks.
I guess you're not currently taking part directly so:

7) Is it (normally) intended for the use of the general public?[/QUOTE]

Well, as a newbie to this forum I didn't want to butt in uninvited with a question.

Your two Q&A seem to have answered most of my points.
Anyone can buy one -> not unique - also implies there are lots of them.
"Can carry it home" - if we take "carry" literally then not too heavy or large.
"Use it well" implies some skill, training or physical attribute (strength, dexterity or intelligence) is required.

[QUOTE=lavalamp;235105]On the off chance that this is a gun, please be aware that in civilised countries, not just anyone can buy one. :wink:

Admittedly unlikely with the mention of some parts requiring soil, but some guns do have wooden bits.[/QUOTE]
I know of no place where the public is forbidden (or heavily restricted) to purchase this thing.
[QUOTE=Brian-E;235106]Back to business:
9) Is it used for entertainment?[/QUOTE]
Yes.

10) Does it, or any part of it, take an electric current when it is being used?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235111]10) Does it, or any part of it, take an electric current when it is being used?[/QUOTE]

Some do, some don't. (there is more than one type of this thing, some types do, some don't)
(you may ask the next question)

11) Does it produce sound when being used normally?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235114]11) Does it produce sound when being used normally?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

12) Is that sound music?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235117]12) Is that sound music?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

13) Does it contain vibrating strings?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235120]13) Does it contain vibrating strings?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

14) Does it sit/stand on the ground when being used normally?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235122]14) Does it sit/stand on the ground when being used normally?[/QUOTE]

No.

(15) Is it a guitar?

[QUOTE=retina;235125](15) Is it a guitar?[/QUOTE]

Yes.
(but that's not the full answer...)

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235126]Yes.
(but that's not the full answer...)[/QUOTE]
I am just going to point out now, who ever gets the final guess: Don't PM me! Mini-Geek is should be the one to get your PM, that states what the item is.
Also, it is easiest to quote the post with the rules and copy all of it to start the new thread.

Oh, not the full answer.

So either a particular type of guitar (although your answer suggests both acoustic and electric are possible) or a particular brand of guitar (this seems more likely I suppose). It can't be a particular guitar since a single guitar can't be of different types.

So ...

(16) Is the brand of guitar important?

[edit] Why is a PM necessary? I don't even have PMs enabled. :ermm:

[QUOTE=retina;235128](16) Is the brand of guitar important?[/QUOTE]
No.

[QUOTE=retina;235128][edit] Why is a PM necessary? I don't even have PMs enabled. :ermm:[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Uncwilly;234819]Also, we might want to appoint an independent person each round, perhaps the last "answerer" (the person that dremt up the item), that would receive a PM from the current answerer at the start of the round. They would ensure that the item is not changed midway. And they could possibly handle problem answers. This would keep them out of the loop for a game though (which would help also for more people to get a chance to be involved.)[/QUOTE]It is not an absolute need.

17. Is the # of strings important?

[QUOTE=Zeta-Flux;235145]17. Is the # of strings important?[/QUOTE]

No. Types of this thing can have a varying number of strings, though one particular number of strings is the most common.

I am late to this party ...but here is how one may [URL="http://tinyurl.com/27fbbup"]pick the lock[/URL]...

electric guitar ? (some may be battery powered I think and some you must plug in to get the electrical signal.)

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235184]electric guitar ? (some may be battery powered I think and some you must plug in to get the electrical signal.)[/QUOTE]Well both elctrical and acoustic guitars are covered by this thing (whatever it is).[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235112]Some do, some don't. (there is more than one type of this thing, some types do, some don't)[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure whether B.B. King ever played an electric guitar as well as an acoustic? If he did then it could be [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_%28guitar%29]lucille[/url] (which was many different guitars).

[QUOTE=retina;235187]I'm not sure whether B.B. King ever played an electric guitar as well as an acoustic? If he did then it could be [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_%28guitar%29]lucille[/url] (which was many different guitars).[/QUOTE]

well a google search turned up this:

Epiphone B.B. King Lucille [B]Semi-Acoustic Electric[/B] Guitar, Ebony ... so technically it can be the same guitar and hence one object.

now it's down to proving if semi acoustic guitar's use something like clay that may be considered soil lmao.

Since there's a lot of discussion right now, I'll post a recap for you, excluding ones that couldn't possibly help since we know it's a guitar. :smile:
1) Is it part-animal? No, as far as I know.
4) does it have soil involved ? Sort of. One major part usually requires soil. Another does not directly involve soil.
10) Does it, or any part of it, take an electric current when it is being used? Some do, some don't. (there is more than one type of this thing, some types do, some don't)
15) Is it a guitar? Yes. (but that's not the full answer...)
16) Is the brand of guitar important? No.
17) Is the # of strings important? No. Types of this thing can have a varying number of strings, though one particular number of strings is the most common.

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235198]Since there's a lot of discussion right now, I'll post a recap for you, excluding ones that couldn't possibly help since we know it's a guitar. :smile:
1) Is it part-animal? No, as far as I know.
4) does it have soil involved ? Sort of. All major parts in it are acquired from (or otherwise require) soil.
10) Does it, or any part of it, take an electric current when it is being used? Some do, some don't. (there is more than one type of this thing, some types do, some don't)
15) Is it a guitar? Yes. (but that's not the full answer...)
16) Is the brand of guitar important? No.
17) Is the # of strings important? No. Types of this thing can have a varying number of strings, though one particular number of strings is the most common.[/QUOTE]

does it involve something like this:


1958 Carvin Guitars At the upper left is the Model 140 Spanish electric. ... there were more steel guitars offered in 1958 that standard soil-body electric guitars. ... The 6-string #6DHG-5B sold for $49.90, and could be ordered with a ...

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235199]does it involve something like this:


1958 Carvin Guitars At the upper left is the Model 140 Spanish electric. ... there were more steel guitars offered in 1958 that standard soil-body electric guitars. ... The 6-string #6DHG-5B sold for $49.90, and could be ordered with a ...[/QUOTE]
No, that seems extremely specific. Also, lest you think some guitars are made out of soil and get a wrong impression on the soil question, I'm 99% sure they meant "solid-body" (i.e. the bulk of the guitar's body is solid wood, as opposed to a hollow body like most acoustics and some electrics, or other guitar designs). And something that specific would probably go against this rule, in that it's an obscure specific item, unlike one the majority are aware of, like the Apollo module:
[QUOTE=Uncwilly;234451][point of clarification issues: ... And if it is a specific item, it shan't be something on the order of, my fingernail clippings from my left ring finger from 2 weeks ago; rather Lord Nelson's lost arm would be ok. ][/QUOTE]
Also, see this reasoning:
[QUOTE=retina;235128]It can't be a particular guitar since a single guitar can't be of different types.[/QUOTE]

One reason that there is now more discussion than concrete questioning is, of course, that various people are stuck in their 24 hour "punishment period" after receiving a negative answer.:smile:

My current thinking, in case it helps those who are able to continue the questioning, is on the lines of range (of pitch).

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235184]electric guitar ? (some may be battery powered I think and some you must plug in to get the electrical signal.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brian-E;235224]One reason that there is now more discussion than concrete questioning is, of course, that various people are stuck in their 24 hour "punishment period" after receiving a negative answer.:smile:[/QUOTE]It seems that Science_Man forgot to number his question. It came in ~10min short of the 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;235227]It seems that Science_Man forgot to number his question. It came in ~10min short of the 24 hours.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was just discussion because it wasn't phrased like a usual question and wasn't numbered. Plus it still is technically in his 'blackout' period. Since there are so few questions left, I won't leave this to chance, but ask him:
science_man_88, did you mean that to be question 18 or was it just discussion?

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235229]I thought it was just discussion because it wasn't phrased like a usual question and wasn't numbered. Plus it still is technically in his 'blackout' period. Since there are so few questions left, I won't leave this to chance, but ask him:
science_man_88, did you mean that to be question 18 or was it just discussion?[/QUOTE]

probably part of both lol

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235236]probably part of both lol[/QUOTE]

Um..well, if you or anyone else are ready to continue with the numbered questions, post a numbered question.

Since we all seem a bit stuck (or perhaps lost interest) then I'll just post this as a possibly wasted Q.

(18) Is it Lucille?

[QUOTE=retina;235287](18) Is it Lucille?[/QUOTE]

No.

19) Is it a bass guitar?

[QUOTE=lavalamp;235330]19) Is it a bass guitar?[/QUOTE]

Yes. That is the answer! :smile: The next round is yours (I think you need to PM the answer to Uncwilly to be the referee).
Out of curiosity, what led you to guess "bass guitar" specifically?

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235347]Yes. That is the answer! :smile: The next round is yours (I think you need to PM the answer to Uncwilly to be the referee).
Out of curiosity, what led you to guess "bass guitar" specifically?[/QUOTE][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"][B]Not ME[/B]![/SIZE][/COLOR] Mini-Geek gets the honour, as s/he is the out going answerer.

I want to play along.

BTW, The easiest way to start a new round with the rules is to use the quote function to copy the list all nice and purty.

[QUOTE=Mini-Geek;235347]Out of curiosity, what led you to guess "bass guitar" specifically?[/QUOTE]It's the only specific type of guitar that I know. :wink:

Also you mentioned there were a varying number of strings but one type is more common, I believe that bass guitars normally have 4 strings but as you say, can vary.

Edit: New thread up:
[url]http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=14147[/url]

[QUOTE=lavalamp;235351]It's the only specific type of guitar that I know. :wink:

Also you mentioned there were a varying number of strings but one type is more common, I believe that bass guitars normally have 4 strings but as you say, can vary.[/QUOTE]

electric guitar, acoustic guitar, 6 string guitar, 12 string guitar, etc.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;235353]electric guitar, acoustic guitar, 6 string guitar, 12 string guitar, etc.[/QUOTE]All of which were ruled out by previous questions...

Left-handed guitar

That was obviously my next guess, followed by left handed bass guitar.

Jimi Hendrix "special" left-handed guitar.

I was thinking of the bass guitar, the dobro guitar, and ukulele.

But it could have been the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_guitar"]Nano guitar[/URL] ! :smile: