Oh so because you're giving the rightful owner "just a bit more time" (whatever the ---- that means) to finish in the case where they are actually trying to finish the assignment, then that makes your poaching completely fine?

And in the entirely possible case where they DO report their work, unknowing of the fact that had they taken "an amount of time" longer to finish it, they would have lost all of it, you've wasted almost enough time to have just done some legitimate assignment instead.


This assignment rule re-adjustment actually started from a bit of bumbling about organized poaching to clear out the milestones. The idea was to use our combined judgement to determine which assignments were really being held up and which ones were just slow.

Instead, you're using just your own personal judgement to decide [B]for me[/B] if [B]I[/B] am doing [B]my own[/B] assignment properly or not.

As it happens, I'm fortunate enough to have joined this project only recently and with a brand-new computer so I can complete more than on time so I don't have to worry about getting poached. But I can say that if I was in the shoes of someone labouring for months on a single assignment and waiting for next time I go into town to bring my results.txt to the library on a USB stick, only to see someone with a fancy new computer steal the work, I would be very unhappy.


In the past, people [B]have implicitly agreed to[/B] a one-year reservation limit on assignments that someone else may want. GIMPS has never really needed to enforce that time limit because the idea was "it'll get done eventually."

Now that people's impatience with the milestones has gotten higher, we're planning to grandfather that agreement to give people the time [B]they agreed on[/B].

The statement is "You get one year," not " You get as long as it takes before some guy takes your assignment."


Really, the bottom line is you are making GIMPS infringe on its end of the contract.

I agree with the principles of what you are writing, TheMawn, and as someone who likes doing DC's, about six per year, on my 7-year-old part-time-operating machine, I have felt threatened by poaching myself. But tha has indicated an intention to stop this activity now that the new (re)assignment rules are in place, and has in fact [URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=367074"]just tried[/URL] to quell an over-enthusiastic attempt by someone to put forward a list of DC assignments in the 32M range for poaching.

The real problem is combatting poachers who do it surreptitiously and without any stated justification. I fear there is little to be done about them. But we can at least make it clear, as you have just done, that the behaviour is not condoned.

[QUOTE]Countdown to proving M(30402457) is the 43rd Mersenne Prime: 3[/QUOTE]

This is all due to poaching?

[QUOTE=retina;367021][QUOTE=retina;367014]30399143 was by Fredrik also.[/QUOTE]Add 30286357 to the list.[/QUOTE]And 30207883.

Anyone know where telix5000 went? So close and yet so far.

[QUOTE=petrw1;367459]Anyone know where telix5000 went? So close and yet so far.[/QUOTE]After receiving so many "result not needed" responses he/she probably turned off P95 and took up some other hobby.

[QUOTE=retina;367482]After receiving so many "result not needed" responses he/she probably turned off P95 and took up some other hobby.[/QUOTE]

I, personally, recommend autogratification. Or miniature trains. Or both (at the same time is extra fun!)....

[QUOTE=chalsall;367485]I, personally, recommend autogratification. Or miniature trains. Or both (at the same time is extra fun!)....[/QUOTE]Yes indeed ! Let GIMPS be reserved to professionals, or at least semi-professionals. All those amateurs should be whipped away.

Jacob

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So this time it was Mr. ANONYMOUS doing the poaching.

So who is the one that was too shy to admit it?

Man, this is a real pain. After the implementation of the new recycling criteria, poaching is becoming even more unacceptable, due to lack of excuses.
I had hoped that the (excellent) measures recently taken would deter people from poaching, but there are at least a few impatient and unethical ones that keep on doing it. Unfortunately, there isn´t much more we can do about it.

I expect that the poaching will drop off once we reach the M43 milestone. Then the new assignment rules will be able to do their job for future milestones. Once M43 is placed in its proper slot, expect to see the extinction of poaching. What would be the reason for doing it, after all, if the assignment and recycling rules are functioning as intended? Certainly it becomes harder to justify on the part of the poacher.