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3.14159 2010-09-02 06:03

Thank you for the informative summary. Ah, that's how they're proved..

And, going for #20, sometime soon.

mdettweiler 2010-09-02 06:38

Here's a submission for the #2 category, found in an effort to prove the base 75 generalized Sierpinski conjecture:

3782*75^41086+1 is prime!

Alas, it cannot count for #20 as it was proven by LLR before I even saw it. It was found via PRPnet, a client/server primality testing program that I use to distribute work across multiple computers; PRPnet proves PRPs on the client end before even sending them to the server, and in this case since it used LLR as the worker application, it was in fact proven before the client program heard about it. So the chance to make this count for #20 was doubly absent.

Speaking of #20, though: where would I find a copy of the original PrimeForm? I have Proth.exe, but I'm wondering if PrimeForm would be faster (as ironic as it is to strive for quickness in what is essentially a waste of computing power given the faster software available today) since I could make it skip straight to an N-1/N+1 test instead of going through a whole PRP test first.

3.14159 2010-09-02 14:34

[QUOTE=Max]Speaking of #20, though: where would I find a copy of the original PrimeForm? I have Proth.exe, but I'm wondering if PrimeForm would be faster (as ironic as it is to strive for quickness in what is essentially a waste of computing power given the faster software available today) since I could make it skip straight to an N-1/N+1 test instead of going through a whole PRP test first.
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You can download the original Primeform [URL="http://pages.prodigy.net/chris_nash/primeform.html#Download"]here[/URL].

It is not if you are applying for category 20.

Also: I'm testing that number, to ensure that you aren't bullshitting.

[code]Special modular reduction using zero-padded FFT length 32K on 3782*75^41086+1
3782*75^41086+1 is 3-PRP! (168.2731s+0.0062s)[/code]

Applying N-1 test to definitely prove/disprove primality..

[code]Primality testing 3782*75^41086+1 [N-1, Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge]
Running N-1 test using base 3
Special modular reduction using zero-padded FFT length 32K on 3782*75^41086+1
Calling Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge with factored part 74.55%
3782*75^41086+1 is prime! (169.8984s+0.0066s)[/code]

Excellent, you weren't lying. You have gained a spot for category 2 (Generalized Proth.)

I have sieved to 5.50 trillion for k * 2[sup]328750[/sup] + 1, 1.01 trillion for k * 28657[sup]28657[/sup] + 1 (127737 and 98970 digits, respectively.)

mdettweiler 2010-09-02 16:42

[quote=3.14159;228174]You can download the original Primeform [URL="http://pages.prodigy.net/chris_nash/primeform.html#Download"]here[/URL].

It is not if you are applying for category 20.[/quote]
Thanks. But I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence...do you mean that it isn't faster than Proth.exe? Or that it isn't eligible for category #20 (antique proof program)? :huh:

[quote]Also: I'm testing that number, to ensure that you aren't bullshitting.

[code]Special modular reduction using zero-padded FFT length 32K on 3782*75^41086+1
3782*75^41086+1 is 3-PRP! (168.2731s+0.0062s)[/code]

Applying N-1 test to definitely prove/disprove primality..

[code]Primality testing 3782*75^41086+1 [N-1, Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge]
Running N-1 test using base 3
Special modular reduction using zero-padded FFT length 32K on 3782*75^41086+1
Calling Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge with factored part 74.55%
3782*75^41086+1 is prime! (169.8984s+0.0066s)[/code]

Excellent, you weren't lying. You have gained a spot for category 2 (Generalized Proth.)[/quote]
Nah, I'd have no reason to lie. But a verification is good anyway--since this prime wasn't big enough to get into the top-5000 list, it didn't get the top-5000 site's external verification, so I was effectively taking the word of the computer that found it.

And, would you know, another #2 entry popped up a few hours later:

2336*75^43523+1 is prime!

This one was found on a different machine via the same PRPnet server. It was found and proven with PFGW (first a PRP test, then an N-1 test run automatically by the PRPnet client).

3.14159 2010-09-02 18:38

[QUOTE=Max]Thanks. But I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence...do you mean that it isn't faster than Proth.exe? Or that it isn't eligible for category #20 (antique proof program)?
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Sorry for the ambiguity. I meant, it is not a waste of computing power if you want to apply for item 20: Obsolete-tech proven primes.
[QUOTE=Max]And, would you know, another #2 entry popped up a few hours later:

2336*75^43523+1 is prime![/QUOTE]

Let us run under the assumption that you are lying.

Immediately running N-1 test...

We are sorry: It is composite. It has divisors 33324686916885236022783006469, 396728734395838423566897342338803, and 6842588252918096856185211780024433747.

Nah, just pulling your chain! (Though it is semi-obvious.) :smile: It's a proven prime number.

[code]
Primality testing 2336*75^43523+1 [N-1, Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge]
Running N-1 test using base 11
Special modular reduction using zero-padded FFT length 40K on 2336*75^43523+1
Calling Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge with factored part 74.55%
2336*75^43523+1 is prime! (235.7026s+0.0111s)[/code]

Gained another spot for category 2. (Generalized Proth)

3.14159 2010-09-02 19:07

Also: What is the easiest script to write for PFGW?

Trial division to prove primality of tiny primes? (1-10 digits)

Dammit. I think I accidentally deleted that script tutorial..

3.14159 2010-09-03 01:13

Current sieve progress: 9.09 trillion for k * 2[sup]328750[/sup] + 1; 1.67 trillion for k * 28657[sup]28657[/sup] + 1

3.14159 2010-09-04 17:03

Reporting in for #18, General Cofactor: (1763085111 * 6[sup]2800[/sup] + 1)/889453 (2183 digits)

Batalov 2010-09-04 21:01

4*17[sup]178438[/sup]+1, a small new Generalized Fermat prime.

mdettweiler 2010-09-04 21:10

[quote=Batalov;228419]4*17[sup]178438[/sup]+1, a small new Generalized Fermat prime.[/quote]
I wouldn't exactly call it small...it's 219561 digits, more than enough to get into the top-5000 (at a rank of <1500th place) even without being a GFN! :smile: Congratulations!

(Ironically enough, in this thread it only gets a #2 award, i.e. Generalized Proth, since there isn't a category for Generalized Fermat.)

BTW, was this found as an "extra bonus" from a CRUS search, or did you search specifically for a GFN?

Batalov 2010-09-04 21:39

Well, just a side trip, yeah. Just for fun[SUP]TM[/SUP].

There was an interesting tiny [URL="http://homepage2.nifty.com/m_kamada/math/news2010.htm#NEWS_201008"]missed[/URL] 4*10^n+1 prime reported just last week, so I re-checked 4*10^n+1 to 200K and decided to poke at other bases. Sieving left this base (17) very well battered, so I though, why not... and pfgw'd the series. I am checking b=23 as well for the same form to 200K.


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