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Integers = sums of 2s and 3s.
I stumbled upon this one a while ago, as I posted elsewhere:
Initially, I thought it was only the primes that could be decomposed into 2s and 3s. Then, I realized I could generalize this to all integers greater than 3. Here are some examples: 47 = 2(19) + 3(3) 79 = 3(17) + 2(14) 106 = 3(20) + 2(23) 189 = 2(60) + 3(23) Etc. Proving it might be an easy task. Tips? Also: Congrats to me on a Fermat prime post. (257) --> 2^(2^3)+1. |
[QUOTE=3.14159;222093]I stumbled upon this one a while ago, as I posted elsewhere:
Initially, I thought it was only the primes that could be decomposed into 2s and 3s. Then, I realized I could generalize this to all integers greater than 3. Here are some examples: 47 = 2(19) + 3(3) 79 = 3(17) + 2(14) 106 = 3(20) + 2(23) 189 = 2(60) + 3(23) Etc. Proving it might be an easy task. Tips? Also: Congrats to me on a Fermat prime post. (257) --> 2^(2^3)+1.[/QUOTE] Generalize: Let m and n be elements of Z+ such that (m,n) = 1. Ask yourself: What is the smallest integer M that is [b]not[/b] representable as mx + ny??? This is a very well known problem. Google is your friend. |
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[QUOTE]Ask yourself: What is the smallest integer M that is [B]not[/B]
representable as mx + ny???[/QUOTE] For x = 2; y = 3; I doubt that there are any counterexamples. The only counterexample I've found is 1. A probable counterexample is 4: 2+2, since there are no 3s in that decomposition. It's looking like the counterexamples are powers of 2: Let's test a few: 8 = 3(2) + 2 16 = 3(4) + 2(2). Powers of 3: 9: 2(3) + 3 27: 3(5) + 2(6). The only counterexamples I've found are {1, 4}. However, when using larger integer pairs, it fails horrendously: Let's use 6 and 7: 8 can't be represented as 6a + 7b 4 and 5: 10: 5+5 11: Cannot be expressed as 4a + 5b. The only pair for which it works so well is 2 and 3 (Also 1 and 2, the best pair of all.) |
[QUOTE=3.14159;222097]However, when using larger integer pairs, it fails horrendously:
Let's use 6 and 7: 8 can't be represented as 6a + 7b[/QUOTE] 29 can't be represented, either. What about larger numbers? |
[QUOTE=3.14159;222093]I stumbled upon this one a while ago, as I posted elsewhere:
Initially, I thought it was only the primes that could be decomposed into 2s and 3s. Then, I realized I could generalize this to all integers greater than 3. [/QUOTE] If it's even, it's a multiple of two; if you feel you need to have some threes in the mix, n-6 is a multiple of two plus 2*3 If it's greater than three and odd, then n-3 is a multiple of two. This is not hard problem. |
[QUOTE]If it's even, it's a multiple of two; if you feel you need to have some threes in the mix, n-6 is a multiple of two plus 2*3
If it's greater than three and odd, then n-3 is a multiple of two. This is not hard problem. [/QUOTE] I wasn't stating that it was difficult. I was curious to know whether or not it was proven. It seemed interesting, is all. |
[QUOTE]29 can't be represented, either. What about larger numbers?[/QUOTE]
108: 7(12) + 6(4) 109: 7(7) + 6(10) 110: 6(2) + 7(14) 111: 6(15) + 7(3) 112: 6(14) + 7(4) 113: 7(5) + 6(13) Etc. What's the final counterexample here? |
[QUOTE=3.14159;222102]What's the final counterexample here?[/QUOTE]
29. |
[QUOTE=3.14159;222101]I wasn't stating that it was difficult. I was curious to know whether or not it was proven. .[/QUOTE]
But clearly not sufficiently curious to have done some work yourself by using Google. You were given hints. |
[QUOTE]But clearly not sufficiently curious to have done some work yourself
by using Google. You were given hints.[/QUOTE] I actually did find it. Stop making false assumptions: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_problem"]Here it is.[/URL] [URL="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinProblem.html"]A better source.[/URL] |
[QUOTE=3.14159;222123]I actually did find it. Stop making false assumptions:
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_problem"]Here it is.[/URL] [URL="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinProblem.html"]A better source.[/URL][/QUOTE] Then why did you have to ask if it were proven? |
[QUOTE]Then why did you have to ask if it were proven?[/QUOTE]
I previously didn't know what it was. I merely followed your tip + CRG's "searchbait". |
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