Hi ,all
One point, you can check where is Spent nuclear fuel near your home.
Spent nuclear fuel stay outside Reactor containment.
Thank you,

[QUOTE=msft;255351]Hi ,all
One point, you can check where is Spent nuclear fuel near your home.
Spent nuclear fuel stay outside Reactor containment.
Thank you,[/QUOTE]

nearest active plant as far as I know is about 269 km from me and one that is supposedly disassembled within 70 km if not less.

Hi ,science_man_88
I have a radiation-contaminated drinking water has already.:nuke:

Worrisome indicators: neutron rays and chlorine-38
 

From comment #6 at [URL]http://climateprogress.org/2011/03/30/japan-nuke-radioactivity/[/URL]

[quote] [URL="http://devilschaplain2010.blogspot.com/"]The Devil's Chaplain[/URL] says:
[URL="http://climateprogress.org/2011/03/30/japan-nuke-radioactivity/#comment-334679"]March 31, 2011 at 2:32 am[/URL]

As an ex-Navy & commercial nuke, unconfirmed reports of CL-38 & the potential for localized criticality absorbed the nucleus of my good eye.
[URL="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-31/fukushima-workers-threatened-by-heat-bursts-sea-radiation-rises.html"]
[/URL][URL="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-31/fukushima-workers-threatened-by-heat-bursts-sea-radiation-rises.html"]Fukushima Workers Threatened by Heat Bursts; Sea Radiation Rises[/URL]

[I]“A partial meltdown of fuel in the No. 1 reactor building may be causing isolated reactions, Denis Flory, nuclear safety director for the IAEA, said at a press conference in Vienna. This might increase the danger to workers at the site….”[/I]

[I]“The IAEA acknowledged “they don’t have clear signs that show such a phenomenon is happening,” Edano said. Radioactive chlorine found March 25 in the No. 1 turbine building suggests chain reactions continued after the reactor shut down, physicist Ferenc Dalnoki-Veress of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, California, wrote in a March 28 paper. Radioactive chlorine has a half-life of 37 minutes, according to the report.”[/I]

[URL="http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/files/2011/03/Cause_of_the_high_Cl38_Radioactivity.pdf"]WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE HIGH Cl-38 RADIOACTIVITY IN THE FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI REACTOR #1[/URL]


~IANVS
[/quote]At the latter link ( [URL]http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/files/2011/03/Cause_of_the_high_Cl38_Radioactivity.pdf[/URL] ) is Ferenc Dalnoki-Veress's analysis of what the detection of radioactive chlorine-38 means.

He analyzes how much chlorine-38 could be produced (from neutron capture by the nonradioactive chlorine-37 naturally present in seawater) by various means within the reactor.

His conclusion is that there is no scenario that comes close to producing the measured amount of chlorine-38 from "natural spontaneous fission of used nuclear fuel". But that's only the most benign possibility.

He notes at the very start that:

[quote]Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday [March 23 -- cheesehead] it has observed a neutron beam, a kind of radioactive ray, 13 times on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after it was crippled by the massive March 11 quake-tsunami disaster.[/quote]and concludes that "transient criticalities", which could produce those neutron beams, could also produce the measured amount of chlorine-38.

Though his analysis can't be conclusive, it may mean that part of the reactor fuel has melted [B][I]and[/I] [U]occasionally forms puddles where chain reactions restart for a while[/U].[/B]

PBS' [i]Nova[/i] (they must have really worked hard to put this one together so fast) had a very interesting [url=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/japan-killer-quake.html]installment yesterday[/url] on the Japan quake and Tsunami. Lots of good stuff in there I hadn't heard before, for instance one town that got swept by the tsunami in a piece of widely-aired video footage (I call it the "black wall of water" clip) had in fact built a sturdy 30-foot-high breakwater around the town after a similar disaster 50 years ago. As it turned out, the March 11 tsunami crested at almost exactly 30 feet in that area, but easily overtopped the breakwater. The Nova piece explains why.

1 month down for japan according to the USGS site the total aftershocks/earthquakes in the last month is:

[B]1116[/B] + [U]67[/U] = [SIZE="7"]1183[/SIZE]

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/world/asia/21stones.html?ref=world]Tsunami Warnings, Written in Stone[/url]: [i]Stone tablets in coastal Japan, some more than six centuries old, are inscribed with simple messages about tsunamis, or give the toll from past disasters.[/i]
[quote]ANEYOSHI, Japan — The stone tablet has stood on this forested hillside since before they were born, but the villagers have faithfully obeyed the stark warning carved on its weathered face: “Do not build your homes below this point!”

Residents say this injunction from their ancestors kept their tiny village of 11 households safely out of reach of the deadly tsunami last month that wiped out hundreds of miles of Japanese coast and rose to record heights near here. The waves stopped just 300 feet below the stone, and the village beyond it.

“They knew the horrors of tsunamis, so they erected that stone to warn us,” said Tamishige Kimura, 64, the village leader of Aneyoshi.

Hundreds of these so-called tsunami stones, some more than six centuries old, dot the coast of Japan, standing in silent testimony to the past destruction that these lethal waves have frequented upon this earthquake-prone nation. But modern Japan, confident that advanced technology and higher seawalls would protect vulnerable areas, came to forget or ignore these ancient warnings, dooming it to repeat bitter experiences when the recent tsunami struck.

“The tsunami stones are warnings across generations, telling descendants to avoid the same suffering of their ancestors,” said Itoko Kitahara, a specialist in the history of natural disasters at Ritsumeikan University in Kyoto. “Some places heeded these lessons of the past, but many didn’t.”

The flat stones, some as tall as 10 feet, are a common sight here along Japan’s rugged northeastern shore, which bore the brunt of the magnitude 9.0 earthquake and tsunami on March 11 that left almost 29,000 people dead and missing.

While some of the stones are so old that the characters are worn away, most were erected about a century ago after two deadly tsunamis here, including one in 1896 that killed 22,000 people. Many of the stones carry simple warnings to drop everything and seek higher ground after a strong earthquake. Others provide grim reminders of the waves’ destructive force by listing past death tolls or marking mass graves.

Some of the stones were swept away by the tsunami last month, which scientists say was the largest to strike Japan since the massive Jogan earthquake in 869, whose waves left sand deposits miles inland.

Aneyoshi’s tsunami stone is the only one that specifically tells where to build houses. But many of the region’s place names also seem to indicate places safely out of the waves’ reach, like Nokoriya, or Valley of Survivors, and Namiwake, or Wave’s Edge, a spot three miles from the ocean that scholars say marks the farthest reach of a deadly tsunami in 1611.

Local scholars said only a handful of villages like Aneyoshi heeded these old warnings by keeping their houses safely on high ground. More commonly, the stones and other warnings were disregarded as coastal towns grew in the boom years after World War II. Even communities that had moved to high ground eventually relocated back to the seaside to be nearer their boats and nets.[/quote]
"What we learn from history, is that we do not learn from history".

[QUOTE=ewmayer;259121][url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/world/asia/21stones.html?ref=world]Tsunami Warnings, Written in Stone[/url]: [i]Stone tablets in coastal Japan, some more than six centuries old, are inscribed with simple messages about tsunamis, or give the toll from past disasters.[/i]

"What we learn from history, is that we do not learn from history".[/QUOTE]

the sad part is it works for government as well.

Hell travel guide book.
 

[URL="http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/te_955_prn.pdf"]http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/te_955_prn.pdf[/URL]
Good text.:smile:

Expect a Richter 14 earthquake and 170m tsunami in ten days time.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13253512[/url]

(Yes, 14 is the prediction.)


Paul

[QUOTE=xilman;260146]Expect a Richter 14 earthquake and 170m tsunami in ten days time.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13253512[/url]

(Yes, 14 is the prediction.)


Paul[/QUOTE]

well if a 1.0 is 5.4 joules then a 14.0 (using base 10) is just on par with Little Boy' low estimate for energy released according to Wikipedia ( I just hope it doesn't put that reactor over the edge).

[QUOTE=xilman;260146]Expect a Richter 14 earthquake and 170m tsunami in ten days time.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13253512[/url]

(Yes, 14 is the prediction.)


Paul[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't a magnitude 14 earthquake break the planet or something? :shock:

[QUOTE=axn;260211]Wouldn't a magnitude 14 earthquake break the planet or something? :shock:[/QUOTE]I'm not sure that 14 is even possible for an endogenous earthquake. All the ones in recorded history have been less than 10, AFAIK.

A 170m tsunami may be possible with a massive landslide, such as the Cumbre Vieje in La Palma slipping into the Atlantic.

With exogenous causes (asteroid impact, etc) all bets are off.

Paul

[QUOTE=xilman;260225]I'm not sure that 14 is even possible for an endogenous earthquake. All the ones in recorded history have been less than 10, AFAIK.[/QUOTE]

With Teacher Wang, anything is possible... :smile:

[QUOTE=Jeff Gilchrist;260280]With Teacher Wang, anything is possible... :smile:[/QUOTE]... sorta like Chuck Norris in that respect. :smile:

[QUOTE=xilman;260225]With exogenous causes (asteroid impact, etc) all bets are off.[/QUOTE]IIRC the Yucatán Peninsula impact (the one that supposedly killed all the dinosaurs 65M years ago) was estimated at "only" 12.6. So 14 is kind of a bit wacky to consider.

(from the article)
[quote]
Police said they were investigating if the blogger had conspired with a container business to defraud people.
"Teacher Wang" suggested people live in such containers to survive the disaster, which he said would kill millions of people and split the island in half.
...
More than 100 cargo containers have been discovered in the town of Puli, Nantou county.
Workers had been hired to fit them with doors, windows and air conditioning, says the BBC's Cindy Sui in Taipei.
The containers cost about $5,500 (£3,300) each[/quote]
If there really is a magnitude 14 earthquake, you'll need a lot more than a container to protect yourself. Being in the air or being several thousand miles away would be ideal.

Maybe he should have conspired with the airline business instead of the container business.

[QUOTE=Oddball;260301](from the article)

If there really is a magnitude 14 earthquake, you'll need a lot more than a container to protect yourself. Being in the air or being several thousand miles away would be ideal.[/QUOTE]I'd suggest that being on a different planet would be even better.

See retina's comment about the impact of a 10km asteroid being responsible for an earthquake of magnitude of only Richter 12.6. Something with approximately 100 thousand times the energy release is definitely better observed from a safe distance.

Paul

[QUOTE=retina;260299]IIRC the Yucatán Peninsula impact (the one that supposedly killed all the dinosaurs 65M years ago) was estimated at "only" 12.6.[/QUOTE]12.55 Wikipedia reference: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale#Examples[/URL]

[QUOTE=xilman;260311]See retina's comment about the impact of a 10km asteroid being responsible for an earthquake of magnitude of only Richter 12.6. Something with approximately 100 thousand times the energy release is definitely better observed from a safe distance.[/QUOTE]From the Wikipedia article:

[quote]Because of the logarithmic basis of the scale, each whole number increase in magnitude represents a tenfold increase in measured amplitude; in terms of energy, each whole number increase corresponds to an increase of about 31.6 times the amount of energy released, and each increase of 0.2 corresponds to a doubling of the energy released.[/quote]So, a difference of 1.45 Richter magnitude would be an energy ratio of roughly 31.6 * 2 * 2 * 2[sup]0.25[/sup] = 150 [or (10[sup]1.45[/sup])[sup]3/2[/sup]= 150] rather than 100,000.

- - -

I notice that the Wikipedia table includes one higher magnitude: 32, for a starquake on a magnetar. Coincidentally, I'm listening to a radio interview about the role of Magnetar Capital LLC in the recent CDO mess.

Beware of hedge funds named (Freudian?) for something that can undergo a Richter 32 quake.

Deadly earthquake rocks Lorca in southern Spain
 

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13368599[/url]

[QUOTE=xilman;261171][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13368599[/url][/QUOTE]

always nice to know.

[QUOTE=xilman;261171][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13368599[/url][/QUOTE]
Poor retrofitting. 5.2's should cause minimal damage and no deaths (unless someone gets conked on the head by their bust of Newton falling off the top shelf).

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;261188]Poor retrofitting. 5.2's should cause minimal damage and no deaths (unless someone gets conked on the head by their bust of Newton falling off the top shelf).[/QUOTE]That was my first thought, tempered with the realization that some areas have rather more fragile buildings than others, especially those areas not particularly known for large quakes.

I'm pretty sure that most of the UK and Eire fall into that category. We hardly ever get a quake as large as 5.2 and even something like 2.2 is sometimes enough to get a report in the news! See [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12930915[/url] for an example . According to [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_the_United_Kingdom[/url] there have been seven quakes of 5.0 or bigger in the last century, three of those being centered in the North Sea. The 80th anniversary of the biggest, a 6.1 quake, is coming up in a few weeks.

Paul

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;261188]Poor retrofitting. 5.2's should cause minimal damage and no deaths (unless someone gets conked on the head by their bust of Newton falling off the top shelf).[/QUOTE]That overlooks that the 5.2 magnitude is about the quake's energy release, not how that release affects those on the surface above it.

This quake [I]was particularly shallow[/I]
[quote]The magnitude-5.2 tremor toppled several buildings after striking at a depth of just 1km (0.6 miles) ...[/quote]so its energy did not have a lot of room to spread before reaching ground level.

A 5.2 at 50 km down might indeed be normally expected to cause minimal damage, but being only 1 km from the epicenter in this case instead of being 50 km from the epicenter makes a big difference.

Some new info coming out after they were able to get to the control room of reactor #1.

[B]Fukushima Reactor 1 melted down, 2 and 3 may have too[/B]
[url]http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/05/fukushima-reactor-1-melted-down-2-and-3-may-have-too.ars[/url]

Model of the Japan Quake Debris Plume
 

[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110406102203.htm]Where Will the Debris from Japan's Tsunami Drift in the Ocean?[/url][quote]ScienceDaily (Apr. 6, 2011) — The huge tsunami triggered by the 9.0 Tohoku Earthquake destroyed coastal towns near Sendai in Japan, washing such things as houses and cars into the ocean. Projections of where this debris might head have been made by Nikolai Maximenko and Jan Hafner at the International Pacific Research Center, University of Hawaii at Manoa. Maximenko has developed a model based on the behavior of drifting buoys deployed over years in the ocean for scientific purposes.

The debris first spreads out eastward from the Japan Coast in the North Pacific Subtropical Gyre. In a year, the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands Marine National Monument will see pieces washing up on its shores; in two years, the remaining Hawaiian islands will see some effects; in three years, the plume will reach the US West Coast, dumping debris on Californian beaches and the beaches of British Columbia, Alaska, and Baja California. The debris will then drift into the famous North Pacific Garbage Patch, where it will wander around and break into smaller and smaller pieces. In five years, Hawaii shores can expect to see another barrage of debris that is stronger and longer-lasting than the first one. Much of the debris leaving the North Pacific Garbage Patch ends up on Hawaii's reefs and beaches.[/quote]
The pictures and animations of the model plume dispersal are cool...

another earthquake listing on a news channel ?
 

6.2 and 5.1 off japan according to USGS when I checked.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;267437]6.2 and 5.1 off japan according to USGS when I checked.[/QUOTE]

oh yeah my mom read it off and it looks to be back near sendai and the power plant. oh and no tsunami warning ( because of 6.2<6.5) . it's closer to the plant than before I think.

A load of discussions, blogs etc. are spreading the theory that comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) is causing earthquakes when it aligns with the Earth and the Sun. For example, the 8.8 in Chile and the 9.0 in Japan both occurred within a few days of an alignment. I know this is total nonsense, but the doomsday theorists are now saying that there should be an even bigger earthquake around the time of the next alignment on 26 September 2011. Elenin's perihelion is on 10 September. Even then it will probably only be at the limit of naked-eye visibility.
Google "[url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=comet+elenin]comet elenin[/url]" to find some of the pages on this - there are hundreds about the doomsday theories, and hardly any about observing the comet.
There are two main "explanations" I've seen for the earthquakes:
1. Elenin is a brown dwarf star:
- and thus it can't be seen (wrong as it would still reflect light)
- its gravitational/tidal influence is causing earthquakes (well why doesn't the Moon cause earthquakes?)
- scientists say it is bigger than Jupiter (no, that's its coma...)
2. Elenin is being trailed by alien spaceships:
- the spaceships produce gravitational waves which cause the earthquakes (this is non-scientific bullshit)
- we have a photograph of this (no, it's four stacked exposures creating the appearance of four stars in a line)

So, all the evidence overwhelmingly supports the fact that Doomsday will actually be 26 September 2011. I'll get my spaceship ready. :smile:

[QUOTE=10metreh;267463]There are two main "explanations" I've seen for the earthquakes:
1. Elenin is a brown dwarf star:
- and thus it can't be seen (wrong as it would still reflect light)
[/QUOTE]

a) A brown dwarf would emit strongly in the infrared and would completely dominate the sky at those wavelengths.
b) A typical brown dwarf emits visible light, just not very much compared with a red dwarf.

[QUOTE=10metreh;267463]

So, all the evidence overwhelmingly supports the fact that Doomsday will actually be 26 September 2011. I'll get my spaceship ready. :smile:[/QUOTE]

figures my next birthday.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5yaUzmj_M8"]?[/URL]

Of course, you all know what happened here in central VA yesterday....Musta' been the catastrophe!

It's not 26 September yet! (And maybe it never will be 27 September. :wink:)

[QUOTE=10metreh;269978]It's not 26 September yet! (And maybe it never will be 27 September. :wink:)[/QUOTE]
It's not 2010metreh either.

David

[QUOTE=davieddy;269985]It's not 2010metreh either.

David[/QUOTE]

See post 126.

[QUOTE=10metreh;269989]See post 126.[/QUOTE]

see post 128 lol

a Vancouver earthquake , building up to the one in San andreas ? not far off the 26th deadline as the end of the world predicted by someone else in here.

[url]http://www.pnsn.org/HAZARDS/CASCADIA/cascadia_zone.html[/url]

[url]http://ca.news.yahoo.com/landslides-block-rescue-efforts-india-quake-035844952.html[/url]

[url]http://ca.news.yahoo.com/powerful-quake-rattles-indonesian-resort-island-bali-033919759.html[/url]

supposedly a 7.3 hit the border area of turkey. depth 4.5 I think it said.

I just felt [URL="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/nc/71671056/us/index.html"]this[/URL] one ([strike]4.8[/strike] 4.7)....I'm just about directly north, almost to Susanville.

cnn reports a 5.6 hitting Oklahoma

"Midwest quake could cause $100 billion damage: RMS"

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/midwest-quake-could-cause-100-billion-damage-rms-181702945.html;_ylt=AtgtbOfAFBw_.zpEyCetTjHzWed_;_ylu=X3oDMTQxajhnY2p1BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIFNlY3Rpb24gVVMEcGtnAzIwYTkyYjIyLThkYTgtMzRjYS1iODMzLTA5ZGM2NzMyMGZjMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDdG9wX3N0b3J5X2Nva2UEdmVyAzE5NmFlY2UwLTIxMDAtMTFlMS05ZjZmLTJhNWVkNmIzYjViZQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTJyamc2anIxBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYTcxNTg2YTQtZmU2Yi0zMjQ4LWE0ZDYtZDYzYTE2YTg3OGNmBHBzdGNhdAN1cwRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3[/URL]

[quote]NEW YORK (Reuters) - A moderate earthquake in the midwestern United States could cause up to $100 billion in economic losses and up to $50 billion in insured losses, catastrophe modeling company RMS said on Wednesday.

The RMS report came days before the 200th anniversary of the major earthquakes that struck around New Madrid, Missouri, causing shaking across much of the then-new nation.

Scientists say there is at least a one-in-four chance of another quake of magnitude 6 or greater in that region within the next 50 years.

. . .[/quote]

"Fukushima Dai-ichi’s Messy Future
How do you take apart a power station that experienced a triple meltdown?"

[URL]http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/fukushima-daiichis-messy-future[/URL]

[quote] [URL="http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/japans-earthquake-and-nuclear-emergency"][IMG]http://spectrum.ieee.org/img/nuclearjapanicon-1320266675792.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[I]Editor's Note: This is part of the IEEE Spectrum special report: [URL="http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/japans-earthquake-and-nuclear-emergency"]Fukushima and the Future of Nuclear Power[/URL][/I][I]. [/I]

The nuclear accident at Fukushima Dai-ichi occurred nine months ago, but the cleanup and decommissioning of the power station has only just begun. We asked the experts what will be happening at the site when the one-year anniversary of the accident rolls around in March, and what to expect from the 10-year and 100-year milestones.

. . .

[This is followed by a table of the 1-year, 10-year and 100-year predictions.][/quote]

hummm
The option 1 in the 100 year perspective will be, most likelly what will happen. Hide the mess you made, cover your eyes and ears, in the hope that the crap will go away.

on a lighter note,
[URL]http://geonet-shakennotstirred.blogspot.com/2011/12/rock-n-roll.html[/URL]
Foo Fighters cause earthquake.

[QUOTE=firejuggler;282611]hummm
The option 1 in the 100 year perspective will be, most likelly what will happen. Hide the mess you made, cover your eyes and ears, in the hope that the crap will go away.[/QUOTE]No, that's option [B]2[/B].

Option 1 is:

Entomb the mess in plain sight as a reminder to future generations.

(See [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/world/asia/21stones.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all[/url])

Calipatria, California, January 19 5.0 or larger, likely a 6.5 or bigger.

You heard it here first.
:scary:

:iws:That is a personal prediction based upon my on calculations. There is a significant up-tick in minor eq's in California, especially in the rough area.:weirdo:

A reasonable prediction...but what if the stress is relieved by all those small eqs?

Basically, I predicted that for someone IRL several weeks ago. (As a lark).
It was based upon the eq in Virginia & the one in Oklahoma.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/powerful-quake-hits-off-western-indonesia-190911129.html[/url]

It is rumbling good.
[url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/FaultMaps/116-33.html[/url]

Gotta subduct that ocean floor!!! (This can be either a good thing -- lots of small moves) or a bad one (that one snag point snaps with a big one!).

[url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0007pnj.php[/url] is this the closest so far ?

[QUOTE=science_man_88;286951][url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0007pnj.php[/url] is this the closest so far ?[/QUOTE]
These 2 are closer but smaller:
[url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/usc0007ptu.php[/url]
[url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/ci15098716.html[/url]

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/16681136[/url]

[QUOTE=Christenson;286679]Gotta subduct that ocean floor!!! (This can be either a good thing -- lots of small moves) or a bad one (that one snag point snaps with a big one!).[/QUOTE]

At pizza joints I sometimes respond the thick-or-thin-crust query with "subducted crust, please", just to see the expression on the poor order-taker's face.

[url]http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3&stormfile=Tremor_rumbles_through_the_Prairies_01_02_2012[/url] not major but seemingly rare in my eyes.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;288047][url]http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3&stormfile=Tremor_rumbles_through_the_Prairies_01_02_2012[/url] not major but seemingly rare in my eyes.[/QUOTE]
At least 7 others in that same area since 1990.
[url]http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_c0007uzf_h.html[/url]

PBS "Frontline" - Fukushima disaster
 

PBS "Frontline" has an episode this week about the Fukushima disaster.

Interviews with some TEPCO employees who are now willing to talk despite company ban on talking to press.

Video from weather camera overlooking the Fukushima reactors during the earthquake preceding the tsunami, and other stuff I hadn't seen.

More information about government and TEPCO actions.

[URL="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/high-chance-major-oregon-quake-study-221238959.html"]High chance of major Oregon quake: study[/URL]

[QUOTE]The study, published online by the US Geological Survey, estimated a 40 percent chance of a major earthquake around Coos Bay, Oregon, over the next 50 years.[/QUOTE]

5.3 in So.Cal an hour ago. Felt it.
P.S. Chased by a 5.5 and an ellipsis. It is better to have a string of 5ers than a single larger one.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;284857]Calipatria, California, January 19 5.0 or larger, likely a 6.5 or bigger.

You heard it here first.
:scary:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;285493]Basically, I predicted that for someone IRL several weeks ago. (As a lark).
It was based upon the eq in Virginia & the one in Oklahoma.[/QUOTE]

I was off in my timing, but it seems like I was right in location.
[url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/32.34.-117.-115.php[/url]
Calipatria is ~15 km north of Brawley
[CODE]4.8 6km N of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 23:33:25 33.039°N 115.523°W 12.2
4.3 4km SE of Westmorland, California 2012-08-26 22:58:41 33.002°N 115.591°W 12.9
4.2 7km N of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 21:15:29 33.042°N 115.539°W 9.1
5.5 5km NNW of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 20:57:58 33.024°N 115.549°W 9.0
4.3 5km SSE of Westmorland, California 2012-08-26 19:40:12 32.990°N 115.598°W 13.8
4.9 5km NNW of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 19:33:00 33.021°N 115.554°W 14.5
5.3 4km NNW of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 19:31:22 33.019°N 115.546°W 12.3
4.6 4km NNW of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 19:20:04 33.019°N 115.545°W 13.1
4.0 5km NNW of Brawley, California 2012-08-26 19:16:11 33.026°N 115.547°W 13.8[/CODE]

a 5.2 in the Gulf of California (kiss the West Coast goodbye).

A 7.4 off of El Salvador: [url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000c7yw#summary[/url]

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[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/quake-off-philippines-spurs-small-tsunami-1-dead-151156874.html"]Quake off Philippines spurs small tsunami; 1 dead[/URL]

[QUOTE]MANILA, Philippines (AP) — A 7.6-magnitude quake struck off the eastern coast of the Philippines late Friday, killing at least one person in a house collapse, knocking out power in several towns and generating negligible tsunami surges.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=science_man_88;309855][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/quake-off-philippines-spurs-small-tsunami-1-dead-151156874.html"]Quake off Philippines spurs small tsunami; 1 dead[/URL][/QUOTE]The USGS's automated [URL="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000cc5m#pager"]PAGER[/URL] system projected a 65% (or better) chance that there would be 0-1 deaths, 95% chance that there would be 10 or fewer deaths and a 99% chance that there would be 100 or fewer deaths. Seems accurate.

[url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc000cfsd.php[/url]


[QUOTE]Magnitude
7.6
Date-Time
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 at 14:42:10 UTC
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 at 08:42:10 AM at epicenter
Location
10.120°N, 85.347°W
Depth
40.8 km (25.4 miles)
Region
COSTA RICA
Distances
10 km (6 miles) NE of Hojancha, Costa Rica
11 km (6 miles) ESE of Nicoya, Costa Rica
30 km (18 miles) ESE of Santa Cruz, Costa Rica
44 km (27 miles) SW of Canas, Costa Rica
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 13.6 km (8.5 miles); depth +/- 6.2 km (3.9 miles)
Parameters
NST=737, Nph=737, Dmin=135.8 km, Rmss=1.42 sec, Gp= 18°,
M-type=(unknown type), Version=F
Source
Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
usc000cfsd
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[URL]http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/06/mount-fuji[/URL]

[QUOTE]This, lead volcanologist on the case Eisuke Fujita told [I][COLOR=#0066cc]Kyodo News[/COLOR][/I], is "not a small figure".
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Yesterday was the 23rd anniversary of the Loma Prieta earthquake, lots of news coverage about that here in the SF bay area, focusing on two of the major substories:

1. The post-quake restoration provided a revival of the SF wharf district, including a revival of its heart, the historic Ferry building, which by the late 80s was little more than a dank, dark shell of a building one was forced to duck through in order to take a ferry;

2. The partially collapsed eastern span of the Bay Bridge is still not completely repaired, over 20 years later - CalTrans plans to open the in-construction new eastern span next summer, with a final cost of over $6 billion. (!)

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-spain-earthquake-triggered-groundwater-removal-170804500.html"]Deadly Spain Earthquake Triggered By Groundwater Removal
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[QUOTE]Scientists have known for decades that pumping water into the Earth can set off small earthquakes. But this is the first time that removing water has been identified as an earthquake trigger, researchers said. Both the size and the location of the quake were influenced by groundwater pumping, the study found. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ewmayer;315135]Yesterday was the 23rd anniversary of the Loma Prieta earthquake, lots of news coverage about that here in the SF bay area, focusing on two of the major substories:

1. The post-quake restoration provided a revival of the SF wharf district, including a revival of its heart, the historic Ferry building, which by the late 80s was little more than a dank, dark shell of a building one was forced to duck through in order to take a ferry;

2. The partially collapsed eastern span of the Bay Bridge is still not completely repaired, over 20 years later - CalTrans plans to open the in-construction new eastern span next summer, with a final cost of over $6 billion. (!)[/QUOTE]

You do, of course, realize that there is a non-zero probability that the entire western sea-board will fall into the sea some day soon?

You do, of course, also realize that there's nothing the politicians can do about it.

But they're more than happy to spend the electorates' money (and talking loudly about it) trying to convince them that they are trying....

[QUOTE=chalsall;315419]You do, of course, realize that there is a non-zero probability that the entire western sea-board will fall into the sea some day soon?[/QUOTE]

can you prove there's 0 chance of Barbados ( the area in the globe you appear to claim to be from) not succumbing fully to a natural disaster ?

[QUOTE=science_man_88;315423]can you prove there's 0 chance of Barbados ( the area in the globe you appear to claim to be from) not succumbing fully to a natural disaster ?[/QUOTE]

No. And I've said so many times.

What part of this argument don't you get?

[QUOTE=chalsall;315419]You do, of course, realize that there is a non-zero probability that the entire western sea-board will fall into the sea some day soon?[/QUOTE]Speaking of which, any idea what happens to Barbados when the south western quarter of La Palma falls into the sea some day soon?

[QUOTE=science_man_88;315423]can you prove there's 0 chance of Barbados ( the area in the globe you appear to claim to be from) not succumbing fully to a natural disaster ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=xilman;315463]Speaking of which, any idea what happens to Barbados when the south western quarter of La Palma falls into the sea some day soon?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=chalsall;315419]You do, of course, realize that there is a non-zero probability that the entire western sea-board will fall into the sea some day soon?

You do, of course, also realize that there's nothing the politicians can do about it.

But they're more than happy to spend the electorates' money (and talking loudly about it) trying to convince them that they are trying....[/QUOTE]

Makes me glad that I live in Kansas, as boring as it is. All we have to do is duck a few tornados here and there and those are fun to chase after every once in a while. :smile:

[QUOTE=gd_barnes;315465]Makes me glad that I live in Kansas, as boring as it is. All we have to do is duck a few tornados here and there and those are fun to chase after every once in a while. :smile:[/QUOTE]Just you wait until the New Madrid fault lets go again.

[QUOTE=cheesehead;315472]Just you wait until the New Madrid fault lets go again.[/QUOTE]Or Jellystone for that matter.

[QUOTE=gd_barnes;315465]Makes me glad that I live in Kansas, as boring as it is. All we have to do is duck a few tornados here and there and those are fun to chase after every once in a while. :smile:[/QUOTE]I'm possibly in an even better situation. It is one of the most geologically stable parts of the world; it's well insulated from large tsunami(*) by the rest of the UK, Ireland and Brittany; we're high enough (just) to cope with a few metres of extra sea level rise; although we get far more than our fair share of tornadoes, they're little ones.; our climate is mostly harmless, though miserable, and likely to stay that way unless the North Atlantic Drift shuts down completely.

Paul

(*) Even the great North Sea tsunami caused by a landslip in Norway didn't get this far inland

[QUOTE=cheesehead;315472]Just you wait until the New Madrid fault lets go again.[/QUOTE]

New Madrid lies in the Missouri boot heel, completely on the opposite side of Missouri from the Kansas-Missouri border and about 7 hours away. We might feel a major one from about 400 miles away but it's unlikely to affect us much.

[QUOTE=xilman;315477]I'm possibly in an even better situation. It is one of the most geologically stable parts of the world; it's well insulated from large tsunami(*) by the rest of the UK, Ireland and Brittany; we're high enough (just) to cope with a few metres of extra sea level rise; although we get far more than our fair share of tornadoes, they're little ones.; our climate is mostly harmless, though miserable, and likely to stay that way unless the North Atlantic Drift shuts down completely.

Paul

(*) Even the great North Sea tsunami caused by a landslip in Norway didn't get this far inland[/QUOTE]

The central U.S. is pretty darn close to as safe as it gets as long as you're far enough away from the New Madrid fault. We're at about 800 feet above sea level and the closest major body of water is off the coast of Louisiana or Mississippi, 800-900 miles to the south. Tornadoes annoy us from time to time but that's about it. Actually if you go a little north of me, perhaps to Minnesota, it'd be about as safe as you could get. With a colder climate, not many tornadoes, and nowhere near any fault lines (that I'm aware of). The biggest issue there would be blizzards in the winter.

[QUOTE=gd_barnes;315479]New Madrid lies in the Missouri boot heel, completely on the opposite side of Missouri from the Kansas-Missouri border and about 7 hours away. We might feel a major one from about 400 miles away but it's unlikely to affect us much.



The central U.S. is pretty darn close to as safe as it gets as long as you're far enough away from the New Madrid fault. We're at about 800 feet above sea level and the closest major body of water is off the coast of Louisiana or Mississippi, 800-900 miles to the south. Tornadoes annoy us from time to time but that's about it. Actually if you go a little north of me, perhaps to Minnesota, it'd be about as safe as you could get. With a colder climate, not many tornadoes, and nowhere near any fault lines (that I'm aware of). The biggest issue there would be blizzards in the winter.[/QUOTE]You're still much closer to Yellowstone than I am. If it cuts loose it's bad news for the entire northern hemisphere but it's unlikely that we'd see even a millimetre of ash falling around here. I'd expect to see some, not least because every year we find a fine sprinkling of Saharan dust washed out and visible on smooth surfaces after prolonged southerly winds. I guess the average deposition is a few microns per annum. The Sahara is at least 2000 km away and nowhere near the direction of the prevailing winds.


Iceland is relatively near by, so we could get some dust and acid rain for a while, I suppose. The recent eruption of Mount Unpronounceable was interesting but the over-reaction was grotesque. Really no need to shut down European airspace for several weeks. Can't complain though, as it gave me an extra 2 days holiday free in a 4-star hotel on La Palma.

Campi Flegrei are potentially vaguely disconcerting; nearer than Iceland as the wind blows, and a caldera that could do something Tambora-scale if not Yellowstone-scale.

[QUOTE=fivemack;315482]Campi Flegrei are potentially vaguely disconcerting; nearer than Iceland as the wind blows, and a caldera that could do something Tambora-scale if not Yellowstone-scale.[/QUOTE]Indeed.

Around these parts the economic fallout would be far greater than the volcanic fallout. We're still well over 1000km away and it's to the south-east of us, whereas the prevailing winds are westerly from the North Atlantic. The economic fallout would have a global impact; the volcanic fallout would be a strictly local affair, covering the Mediterranean countries mostly. I wouldn't want to be in Spain, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, etc, and especially not on the coast, but India, the UK and Saudi should be fine. We'd have a few cold wet years (some parts might welcome that!) but probably not much more.

Added in edit: drop Spain from the list.

[QUOTE=xilman;315477]our climate is mostly harmless, though miserable,[/QUOTE]

:missingteeth:

I think I'm almost as safe as Gary, being about as far from the New Madrid fault, about 14 hr driver further from Yellowstone, and even less tornadoes to worry about.

[QUOTE=gd_barnes;315479] Actually if you go a little north of me, perhaps to Minnesota, it'd be about as safe as you could get. With a colder climate, not many tornadoes, and nowhere near any fault lines (that I'm aware of). The biggest issue there would be blizzards in the winter.[/QUOTE]

Things would get uncomfortable, but survivable, up here in the winter if some global event caused a shutdown of society's services. I feel ok with my family's ability to outrun a glacier, should it come to that. Significant quantities of Canadian meltwater might turn the Mississippi basin into an elongated inland sea, but I'm 150 m above that so not too worried about it. Yep... seems fairly safe here in the upper Midwest.

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/italian-scientists-convicted-over-earthquake-warning-153427877.html"]Italian scientists convicted over earthquake warning
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[QUOTE] An Italian court convicted six scientists and a government official of manslaughter on Monday and sentenced them to six years in prison for failing to give adequate warning of a deadly earthquake which destroyed the central city of L'Aquila and killed more than 300 people in 2009.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=gd_barnes;315479]New Madrid lies in the Missouri boot heel, completely on the opposite side of Missouri from the Kansas-Missouri border and about 7 hours away.[/QUOTE]

I didn't realize MO crossed that many time zones...

[QUOTE=xilman;315481]You're still much closer to Yellowstone than I am. If it cuts loose it's bad news for the entire northern hemisphere but it's unlikely that we'd see even a millimetre of ash falling around here.[/QUOTE]

When the Yellowstone supervolcano erupts again, ashfall will be the least of the concerns outside of N. America - global cooling will likely be the biggie as far as landbound animal species are concerned. The 1883 eruption of Krakatau caused crop failures in much of Europe in the year or two following the blast - The YSV is estimated to have generated 50x as much ash as that.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;315534][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/italian-scientists-convicted-over-earthquake-warning-153427877.html"]Italian scientists convicted over earthquake warning
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That should be in the wacky news thread. WTF.



Let he who could have done better (i.e., told the future) be the one to lock them in jail.

[QUOTE=xilman;315477]our climate is mostly harmless, though miserable[/QUOTE]It did directly drive away one of your greatest minds.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;315553]It did directly drive away one of your greatest minds.[/QUOTE]

Hugh Laurie is indeed a first-class mind (in addition to being a fabulous comic and fine actor), but is such hyperbole really warranted?

Or did you mean Graham Greene? My understanding is that Greene left Britain for mostly non-meteorological reasons (being conned out of much of his life's savings by a swindler).

[QUOTE=ewmayer;315558]Hugh Laurie is indeed a first-class mind (in addition to being a fabulous comic and fine actor), but is such hyperbole really warranted?[/QUOTE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke"]Sir Clarke[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dubslow;315550]That should be in the wacky news thread. WTF.



Let he who could have done better (i.e., told the future) be the one to lock them in jail.[/QUOTE]

don't worry:

[URL="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/italian-disaster-experts-resign-shaken-predecessors-convictions-quake-175231514.html"]Italian disaster experts resign, shaken by predecessors' convictions in quake trial[/URL]

[QUOTE]Four top Italian disaster experts quit their posts Tuesday, saying the manslaughter convictions of former colleagues for failing to adequately warn of a deadly 2009 earthquake means they can't effectively perform their duties.


A court in the quake-devastated town of L'Aquila convicted seven former members of Italy's so-called "Great Risks Commission" and sentenced each of them to six years in prison, prompting predictions that experts would be discouraged from working in Italy for fear of similar risks of prosecution.[/QUOTE]

7.7 North coast of British Columbia. [url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/usb000df7n.php#details[/url]
Hawai'i under a tsunami warning [url]http://ptwc.weather.gov/ptwc/?region=2&id=hawaii.TSUHWX.2012.10.28.0613[/url]
:leaving:

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;316260]7.7 North coast of British Columbia. [url]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/usb000df7n.php#details[/url]
Hawai'i under a tsunami warning [url]http://ptwc.weather.gov/ptwc/?region=2&id=hawaii.TSUHWX.2012.10.28.0613[/url]
:leaving:[/QUOTE]

doesn't help that of the top three earthquakes ( by magnitude) in the last 7 day this was also the closest to surface.

Burma!
 

I panicked!

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20285901[/url]

[QUOTE=xilman;317904]I panicked!

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20285901[/url][/QUOTE]
The earth moved in anticipation of Obama's visit to Burma.