[QUOTE=ixfd64;426257][URL]https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/45m1zl/whats_the_coolest_mathematical_fact_you_know_of[/URL][/QUOTE]
It's good to see people get enthusiastic about "cool" mathematics but frustrating that if only they knew just a little more then far more cool stuff would come within their field of perception!

Here is a recent public lecture Prof. Martin Bridson gave for non-mathematicians on group theory and geometry.

(Warning: this is a 1Gbyte mp4 file downloading from Oxford in the U.K.)
[URL]https://media.podcasts.ox.ac.uk/maths/oxford-maths/2015-11-25_maths_bridson.mp4[/URL]

[url]https://cosmosmagazine.com/physical-sciences/scientists-discover-new-kind-frozen-water[/url]

It's not exactly WTF, it's not exactly boring.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;426466][URL]https://cosmosmagazine.com/physical-sciences/scientists-discover-new-kind-frozen-water[/URL]

It's not exactly WTF, it's not exactly boring.[/QUOTE]
At least they haven't stumbled on to Ice 9 as yet.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;426466][url]https://cosmosmagazine.com/physical-sciences/scientists-discover-new-kind-frozen-water[/url]

It's not exactly WTF, it's not exactly boring.[/QUOTE]

3 issues with this article:
[QUOTE]Or, cooled to -273 °C where all molecules stop moving, water would have to be compressed by a pressure equal to the weight of 300 jumbo jets at sea level.[/QUOTE]Is the weight of the jets distributed over 1 cm[SUP]2[/SUP] or 10 football pitches?

The author talks about the density of the ice, but never give an actual number.

There is no link to the original paper or any more robust source.

Here's the paper (available by open access, so no cover charge): [url]http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/2/e1501010.full[/url]

The catch is that's a fully theoretical paper, so the researchers didn't actually discover anything physical--they've basically put forward a possibility. That's not to denigrate theoretical work, since it often saves a bunch of experimental time and resources, but it's also only theory at this point and may or may not be practical.

Looks like the density is 0.593 g/cm^3.

[QUOTE=Nick;426307]It's good to see people get enthusiastic about "cool" mathematics but frustrating that if only they knew just a little more then far more cool stuff would come within their field of perception!

Here is a recent public lecture Prof. Martin Bridson gave for non-mathematicians on group theory and geometry.

(Warning: this is a 1Gbyte mp4 file downloading from Oxford in the U.K.)
[URL]https://media.podcasts.ox.ac.uk/maths/oxford-maths/2015-11-25_maths_bridson.mp4[/URL][/QUOTE]
Not sure if this counts as a math fact, but I find it to be the coolest "math fact" I know:

If you put a mirror to the right or left of 3.14(written in this particular font), you get the word PIE.

If that doesn't count, then I recruit the shortcut methods used to figure out of small numbers are a factor of larger numbers:

Even numbers are all divisible by 2, if the digits of a number add up to a number divisible by 3 the number itself is divisible by 3, if a number ends in 0 or 5 it is divisible by 5. Unfortunately, I don't know the rule for 7. And then, of course, you can combine them. If the rule for 2 passes, and also the rule for 3, then the number is divisible by 6.

[QUOTE=jasong;426696]Even numbers are all divisible by 2, if the digits of a number add up to a number divisible by 3 the number itself is divisible by 3, if a number ends in 0 or 5 it is divisible by 5. Unfortunately, I don't know the rule for 7. And then, of course, you can combine them. If the rule for 2 passes, and also the rule for 3, then the number is divisible by 6.[/QUOTE]Note that these procedures are not universal. The ones you mention work for base-10 (decimal). Other bases may require different procedures.

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;426486]3 issues with this article:
Is the weight of the jets distributed over 1 cm[SUP]2[/SUP] or 10 football pitches?

The author talks about the density of the ice, but never give an actual number.

There is no link to the original paper or any more robust source.[/QUOTE]
My answer to that is to ask them how many jumbo jets a normal person shoulders. Then, you can figure out what they're talking about.

But, yeah, I lot of science articles aren't actually all that scientific.

[QUOTE=retina;426697]Note that these procedures are not universal. The ones you mention work for base-10 (decimal). Other bases may require different procedures.[/QUOTE]
Very true.

In binary, fast fourier transforms would be the most interesting thing. In base-6, it would be the fact that all primes other than the first 2 are 1 more or 1 less than the base.

Another interesting thing I just thought of is googlin the explanation of why clocks and anything involving circles involves things like base-12.

You can also apply the +/- criteria for divisibility by 11.
Since I was very small I "invented" (yes, by myself!) a criteria to test very fast the divisibility by 7, 11, and 13 in the same time, based on the fact that their product is 1001. When I showed it to my teacher in grade 8, she looked to me like I was some alien, or strange animal... (she was a very kind lady, and a gorgeous woman, single mom, not really qualified for math, just "making a living", in that small town I grown up, one "distraction" our [STRIKE](idiots)[/STRIKE] colleagues had at that time was to put a small mirror in between the strings of their shoes, so they could look under her skirt...).
A similar criteria can be devised to test for all primes including 17, considering that their product is 510510 (or, 255255 if you leave 2 out), but that is not so simple, it need 2 more operations :wink:.

[QUOTE=LaurV;426777]When I showed it to my teacher in grade 8, she looked to me like I was some alien, or strange animal...[/QUOTE]
That is reminiscent, if not as drastic in its consequences, of the recent incident when a boy in Texas brought a home-made clock to school to show his teacher.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident[/URL]

[url=www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35609636]US election: Donald Trump v Pope... who wins?[/url] - BBC News

Re. Donzilla v. Pope-thra -- will this rather amusing public spat lead to a KO strategy called the "Pope-a-Dope"? Inquiring minds want to know. A pro-wrasslin-style blustery calling-each-other-out would also be a nice touch. "Ahm comin' to gitcha, Frankie baby ... ahm gonna knock that fancy-pants miter off yer head and chase ya back to Vatican City with it!" Francis for his part, being a Latino wrassler, would of course be wearing a Lucha Libre mask - he could do it up with a big red X like boxer Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins, and adopt the ring nick "The Excommunicator". I'd pay a generous PPV tithe to watch that.

[url]https://reddit.com/r/badmathematics[/url]

[QUOTE=ixfd64;428537][url]https://reddit.com/r/badmathematics[/url][/QUOTE]
here's one that brothers me:
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=temperature+precipitation+lunar+weight+atmosphere[/url]

In low order effects they've noticed higher precipitation in the atmospheric tidal bulge, which they attribute to higher temperatures caused by additional atmospheric [I]weight[/I] causing pressure in the bulging region.

I don't think that the extra atmospheric mass of the bulge weighs more in a Boyle meaningful way while the moon is pulling on the other end. For this small effect, it could be a longer precipitation column or sound travel time or even a difference in light propagation or scattering or a dust column or a gazillion other miniscule influences.

[QUOTE=only_human;428570]here's one that brothers me:
[URL]http://www.google.com/search?q=temperature+precipitation+lunar+weight+atmosphere[/URL]

In low order effects they've noticed higher precipitation in the atmospheric tidal bulge, which they attribute to higher temperatures caused by additional atmospheric [I]weight[/I] causing pressure in the bulging region.

I don't think that the extra atmosphere of the bulge weighs more in a Boyle meaningful way while the moon is pulling on the other end. For this small effect, it could be a longer precipitation column or sound travel time or even a difference in light propagation or scattering or a dust column or a gazillion other miniscule influences.[/QUOTE]
From a side box:
[QUOTE]Another UW [URL="http://www.washington.edu/news/2015/04/27/tidal-tugs-on-teflon-faults-drive-slow-slipping-earthquakes/"]study[/URL] last spring showed that the tug of the moon nudges tectonic faults in the Earth’s crust.[/QUOTE]
The Earth's tidal forces on the Moon must cause tremors there. It seems the stresses would be a lot greater. However, I guess that without tectonic activity, there would be fewer faults to disturb.

[QUOTE=kladner;428573]From a side box:

The Earth's tidal forces on the Moon must cause tremors there. It seems the stresses would be a lot greater. However, I guess that without tectonic activity, there would be fewer faults to disturb.[/QUOTE]
That could also be relevant to the precipitation: piezoelectric effects; or maybe friction as the bulge follows the moon.

[QUOTE=kladner;428573]From a side box:

The Earth's tidal forces on the Moon must cause tremors there. It seems the stresses would be a lot greater. However, I guess that without tectonic activity, there would be fewer faults to disturb.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_(natural_phenomenon)#Moonquake[/url]

In particular, the deep quakes.

[URL="http://qz.com/641738/this-rocket-executive-pissed-off-everyone-in-space-and-lost-his-job-the-next-day/"]This rocket executive pissed off everyone in space and lost his job the next day[/URL][LIST][*]Don’t piss off your contractors[*]Don’t piss off senators[*]Don’t piss off your client[*]Don’t admit you can’t compete[*]Don’t mock your competitors for things you can’t do[/LIST]

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_29677981/mystery-solved-uss-conestoga-lost-nearly-century-found[/url]

New Zealand has [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35890670"]decided to keep the Union Flag[/URL] as part of its national flag. No great surprise there.

Curiously enough, a [URL="http://www.britannica.com/topic/flag-of-Hawaii"]territory which has never been part of The Empire[/URL] also has the Union Flag in its state flag.

FWIW, I don't give a damn whether anyone other than the UK uses the Union Flag. It's entirely a matter for the indigenous population IMAO.

[url]http://www.gizmag.com/twisted-light-slower/42489/[/url] makes sense but it's a cool thing to think about. in theory this could have implications for starlight that gets twisted and using it to predict the distance to the stars etc.

[QUOTE=xilman;429984]New Zealand has [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35890670"]decided to keep the Union Flag[/URL] as part of its national flag. No great surprise there.[/QUOTE]

Another defeat for the worldwide-commonwealth "jack off" movement, I see.

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[url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/7035908/Man-changes-surname-to-Null-and-bags-freebies.html]Revealed: Man changes surname to Null and manages to bag lots of FREE holidays, car rentals and goodies[/url] | The Sun

“[T]he word ‘Null’ doesn’t register with the computer’s programming, so computer systems assume he’s not a person. The glitch means that when receptionists enter ‘Null’ in the surname box the system automatically recognises the word as ‘an absence of data’.”

Sounds to me like some kind truly inane scripty-language 'helpful' typecasting may be at work ... as in "since no in their right mind would deliberately enter the string 'null' and mean it, we simply reserve-word that one to == (int)0. You're ever so welcome, lazy type-ists of the world!"

Reminds me of the old C 'null pointers need not be dull pointers!' joke ... and of this: [url]https://xkcd.com/327/[/url]

I spent a few hours today clearing out and digging over a flower bed that had become overgrown with weeds. Neither my stamina nor my health generally is what it was.

After resting and eating dinner I realised that I felt like an old man. Don't be silly, I told myself, where are you going to get one at this time of night?

[QUOTE=ewmayer;430487]Another defeat for the worldwide-commonwealth "jack off" movement, I see.

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[url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/7035908/Man-changes-surname-to-Null-and-bags-freebies.html]Revealed: Man changes surname to Null and manages to bag lots of FREE holidays, car rentals and goodies[/url] | The Sun

“[T]he word ‘Null’ doesn’t register with the computer’s programming, so computer systems assume he’s not a person. The glitch means that when receptionists enter ‘Null’ in the surname box the system automatically recognises the word as ‘an absence of data’.”

Sounds to me like some kind truly inane scripty-language 'helpful' typecasting may be at work ... as in "since no in their right mind would deliberately enter the string 'null' and mean it, we simply reserve-word that one to == (int)0. You're ever so welcome, lazy type-ists of the world!"

Reminds me of the old C 'null pointers need not be dull pointers!' joke ... and of this: [url]https://xkcd.com/327/[/url][/QUOTE]

[url]http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-do-i-correctly-pass-the-string-null-an-employees-proper-surname-to-a-so[/url]

add another potential cause to diabetes playbook ?
 

[url]http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-04-discovery-asprosin-hormone-potential-implications.html[/url]

[url]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/pastafarianism-is-satire-and-not-protected-religion-court-rules/[/url]

[url]http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/04/many-accurate-enough-chips-will-use.html[/url]

[url]https://reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4fqkag/what_if_our_money_celebrated_science_instead_of[/url]

[QUOTE=ixfd64;432102][url]https://reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4fqkag/what_if_our_money_celebrated_science_instead_of[/url][/QUOTE]
This only unbiased opinion is obviously that modern money should have pictures of cats. Some wonks recently stored images using DNA... of the three test images, one was a cat.

[QUOTE=only_human;432110]This only unbiased opinion is obviously that modern money should have pictures of cats. Some wonks recently stored images using DNA... of the three test images, one was a cat.[/QUOTE]In the course book for the Fortran 77 class I took, most of the examples include the word "cat" in the output.

[url]http://www.computerworld.com/article/3060005/mobile-wireless/scientists-can-now-make-lithium-ion-batteries-last-a-lifetime.html[/url] one interest part is the comments which point out that it depends on plastic.

[STRIKE][url]http://thegoodlordabove.com/articles/details/235[/url][/STRIKE]
[url]http://www.snopes.com/noahs-ark-park-flooded/[/url]

Was just surfing among entries within my Mac dictionary app ... first entry was to remind myself of the gist of the
[i]
Immaculate Conception
noun
the doctrine that God preserved the Virgin Mary from the taint of original sin from the moment she was conceived; it was defined as a dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 1854.
[/i]
Then I clicked on 'dogma', defined as "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true" ... but the ensuing 'origin' blurb says it is from the Greek, where it means, literally, 'opinion'.

[QUOTE=ewmayer;432450]Was just surfing among entries within my Mac dictionary app ... first entry was to remind myself of the gist of the
[I]Immaculate Conception
noun
the doctrine that God preserved the Virgin Mary from the taint of original sin from the moment she was conceived; it was defined as a dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 1854.
[/I]Then I clicked on 'dogma', defined as "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true" ... but the ensuing 'origin' blurb says it is from the Greek, where it means, literally, 'opinion'.[/QUOTE]

Isn't all religion that is not based on secular philosophical principles,
which means all religion period, merely an opinion?

Religion is the opposite of science, logic, and proof.
And that is a fact, not just my opinion.

oh... pinion !

[sorry, I could not refrain myself, hehe, but however, about the religion, we totally agree]

[QUOTE=davar55;432489]Isn't all religion that is not based on secular philosophical principles,
which means all religion period, merely an opinion?

Religion is the opposite of science, logic, and proof.
And that is [strike]a fact[/strike] my definition, not just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for you.

In honour of the 400th anniversary of the death of William Shakespeare
 

Sonnet CLV

I must complain, my lad. I think I know
A living parrot from a bird that's dead,
Like this one, bought not half an hour ago,
Which failed to move; the reason was, you said,
The mere fatigue of a protracted squawk.
I say it's stiff, not pining for the firth.
And if thou hadst not nail'd it to the balk
Full fathom one it would repose in earth.
Norweyan Blues, thou say'st, stun easily,
But this one is extinct; it is no more;
It's ceased to be, forever not to be.
To meet its Maker it is gone before.
Bereft of life, alas, it rests in peace.
This popinjay hath suffered its decease.

Nice!

Some time I'll regale you all with monosyllabic Shakespeare.

Oh what the hell, why not now.

[I]The Prince of the Danes[/I], Act Three, scene One.
[INDENT]To be, or not to be: that is what we must ask:
If it is best in the mind to hurt from
The slings and darts of sheer bad luck,
Or to take arms to a sea of woes,
And, through a fight end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The ache of the heart and the ten times ten times ten true shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a fate
Much to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: a chance to dream: ay there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come.
When we are no more, like a well known Blue Bird,
Must give us pause; there's the truth
That makes a bad fate of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The bad man's wrong, the proud man's words of scorn,
The pangs of loathed love, the law's wait,
[/INDENT]
And so on.

[B]loath'd[/B] ? or else it seems not mono... what he said.

[QUOTE=BudgieJane;432498]Sonnet CLV
[/QUOTE]
Not XCIV?

[QUOTE=Batalov;432516][B]loath'd[/B] ? or else it seems not mono... what he said.[/QUOTE]If you wish. In the speech which I learned "loathed" has but one sound.

Very impressive (and funny) efforts, Jane and Paul -- those are both originals, yes?

[QUOTE=xilman;432518]If you wish. In the speech which I learned "loathed" has but one sound.[/QUOTE]

How about "sheer"?

[QUOTE=ewmayer;432539]Very impressive (and funny) efforts, Jane and Paul -- those are both originals, yes?[/QUOTE]It's a long tale. Some years back I read a piece in [i]The Times[/i] which used this style and so I chose to us it as well. Since then I have used it a few times for the piece which you have now seen.

Most of the words are the Bard's, of course, as is all the sense but the rest I tend to write in a fresh way each time. For that one I read one page on my screen which held the true words and one in which to type the work. The text was made up a word or a phrase at a time, as the rules of the game need.

Paul

(As you can see, it is not that hard to write stuff like this.)

[QUOTE=axn;432542]How about "sheer"?[/QUOTE]That too.

[QUOTE=ewmayer;432539]Very impressive (and funny) efforts, Jane and Paul -- those are both originals, yes?[/QUOTE]

I can't claim authorship; I found it while searching the web for something totally different, and thought it would be appreciated by a wider audience of erudite, educated and well-read people.

[URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_longest_English_words_with_one_syllable"]List of the longest English words with one syllable[/URL]
The USA monosyllabic [I]squirrel[/I] variant rears its head in our airspace in a ten letter variety in this list.

And I now have a noun/verb by way of Umberto Eco that could be also be a participle form to describe the experience of electing The Donald: "schtroumpfed /ˈʃtruːmpft/"

[QUOTE=BudgieJane;432572]I can't claim authorship; I found it while searching the web for something totally different, and thought it would be appreciated by a wider audience of erudite, educated and well-read people.[/QUOTE]

Ah - thanks. FYI, some of the rest of us enjoyed it as well. :)

[QUOTE=only_human;432577][URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_longest_English_words_with_one_syllable"]List of the longest English words with one syllable[/URL]
The USA monosyllabic [I]squirrel[/I] variant rears its head in our airspace in a ten letter variety in this list.

And I now have a noun/verb by way of Umberto Eco that could be also be a participle form to describe the experience of electing The Donald: "schtroumpfed /ˈʃtruːmpft/"[/QUOTE]I've not yet checked the list. The longest in my working memory is "broughammed", pronounced brumd, and means conveyed in Brougham, a type of horse driven carriage.

Now to check ...

Yup.

[YOUTUBE]OxoUUbMii7Q[/YOUTUBE]

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;432798][YOUTUBE]OxoUUbMii7Q[/YOUTUBE][/QUOTE]
.
[QUOTE]Louis Tully (Character)
Ghostbusters II (1989)

Louis Tully: So the 7 little dwarves had a limited partnership in a small mining operation. And one day a beautiful princess came to live with them. And they bartered housekeeping services for room and board, which was a real good deal for them because they didn't have to withhold social security or income tax or nothin', which you're really not supposed to do, you see, but for the purpose of the story, I think it's okay. [/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3063508/components/intel-is-on-the-verge-of-exiting-the-smartphone-and-tablet-markets-after-cutting-atom-chips.html#comments[/url]

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;432798][YOUTUBE]OxoUUbMii7Q[/YOUTUBE][/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, this is what I was watching before I clicked on Xyzzy's post:

(You are forgiven if you don't watch the whole thing)

[QUOTE][YOUTUBE]E64cP2Kzjag[/YOUTUBE][/QUOTE]Edit: Doesn't seem to want to go through. Is my HTML bad?

nm, about the last part of my last post, must've be a Youtube thing going on then.

[QUOTE=jasong;433238]nm, about the last part of my last post, must've be a Youtube thing going on then.[/QUOTE]
No, you just pasted it incorrectly, no use blaming ZeTube in vain. You paste [I]the code only[/I] (e.g. "H2lKIXmmZHc"; [I]not[/I] the complete link), then select it with mouse and press "YouTube" forum button (or you can do it by typing manually [c] [YOUTUBE]H2lKIXmmZHc[/YOUTUBE][/c] ).

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/05/07/ivy-league-economist-interrogated-for-doing-math-on-american-airlines-flight/"]Ivy League economist ethnically profiled, interrogated for doing math on American Airlines flight[/URL]
[QUOTE]Finally the pilot came by, and approached the real culprit behind the delay: that darkly-complected foreign man. He was now escorted off the plane, too, and taken to meet some sort of agent, though he wasn’t entirely sure of the agent’s affiliation, he would later say.

What do know about your seatmate? The agent asked the foreign-sounding man.

Well, she acted a bit funny, he replied, but she didn’t seem visibly ill. Maybe, he thought, they wanted his help in piecing together what was wrong with her.

And then the big reveal: The woman wasn’t really sick at all! Instead this quick-thinking traveler had Seen Something, and so she had Said Something.

That Something she’d seen had been her seatmate’s cryptic notes, scrawled in a script she didn’t recognize. Maybe it was code, or some foreign lettering, possibly the details of a plot to destroy the dozens of innocent lives aboard American Airlines Flight 3950. She may have felt it her duty to alert the authorities just to be safe. The curly-haired man was, the agent informed him politely, suspected of terrorism.

The curly-haired man laughed.

He laughed because those scribbles weren’t Arabic, or another foreign language, or even some special secret terrorist code. They were math.

Yes, math. A differential equation, to be exact.

Had the crew or security members perhaps quickly googled this good-natured, bespectacled passenger before waylaying everyone for several hours, they might have learned that he — Guido Menzio — is a young but decorated Ivy League economist. And that he’s best known for his relatively technical work on search theory, which helped earn him a tenured associate professorship at the University of Pennsylvania as well as stints at Princeton and Stanford’s Hoover Institution.[/QUOTE]

Oh what a fiend we have in Cheeses
 

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-36235721[/url]

[QUOTE=only_human;433291][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/05/07/ivy-league-economist-interrogated-for-doing-math-on-american-airlines-flight/"]Ivy League economist ethnically profiled, interrogated for doing math on American Airlines flight[/URL][/QUOTE]
al-Gebra strikes agian! [URL="http://www.ms.uky.edu/~jrge/340/Weapons_of_Math_Instruction.html"]Weapons of Math Instruction![/URL]

[QUOTE=xilman;433294][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-36235721[/url][/QUOTE]

This kind of narrow-escape story is enough to curdle your blood!

Re. the WMI (weapons of math instruction) story: A Homeland Security official remarked how fortunate it was that the fellow's scribblings had been uncovered 'while the differential equations were still partial ... had he had the time to finish assembling them, it could have been disastrous.'

[QUOTE=ewmayer;433324]Re. the WMI [/QUOTE]
Re: the bbc article, I can't imagine someone so stupid, therefore I think the lady who started the false alarm knew exactly what she was doing, and she did it on purpose to delay the flight and cause harm to airline and the rest of the passengers. She has to be punished... Hm... or maybe not... next time when I will fly with my (un)favorite airline, I know what to do to cause them some money/reputation waste...:smile:

[B][QUOTE]Oh what a fiend we have in Cheeses [/QUOTE]
:picard::rolleyes::devil:
[/B]

[QUOTE=only_human;433291][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/05/07/ivy-league-economist-interrogated-for-doing-math-on-american-airlines-flight/"]Ivy League economist ethnically profiled, interrogated for doing math on American Airlines flight[/URL][/QUOTE]
From the comments: "It might be safer if we stopped using arabic numerals."

This viewer is certainly impressed by the horror film "Psycho".

[YOUTUBE]shhOLoVNdJQ[/YOUTUBE]

[QUOTE=Brian-E;433912]This viewer is certainly impressed by the horror film "Psycho".

[YOUTUBE]shhOLoVNdJQ[/YOUTUBE][/QUOTE]
[B]"Cat Watching..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Orchard Music. [/B]

[QUOTE=LaurV;434058][B]"Cat Watching..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Orchard Music. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmm, indeed.:huh:
The video showed a cat clearly watching something in the direction of the camera, rivetted and showing moments of clear horror or terror, with the soundtrack of a scene from the horror film "Psycho" playing in the background. At the end of the film, I think at the moment when the female lead is stabbed in the shower by the motel owner, the cat springs away.

For those who read Dutch, or have the patience to use Google Translate, here was my source (film also now unavailable here since it was embedded from Youtube. There is some discussion about animal emotions and what cats can or can't perceive while watching a TV screen.
[url]http://www.joop.nl/kijk-nou/kat-kijkt-horrorfilm-en-houdt-het-niet-meer[/url]

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What I read a week or two ago was that the Statue of Liberty represents the god Libertas, who now has the new name Isis. So, symbolically, ISIS is fighting Isis.

And then there's the pun for Isis that mostly Muslims are aware of(because of the language the pun is in, Arabic maybe?) that probably resembles the US more than the ISIS it's fighting, something about bad people squashing others underfoot.

edit:I'll google it and come back.
from : [url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/04/the-secret-worship-of-illuminati-statue.html[/url]
[quote]She was referred to as the goddess of personal freedom and liberty. In fact Libertas meant freedom. So liberty means freedom. The 2 names describe the one concept we call freedom. Liberty = Freedom and Freedom = Liberty.

This goddess was the goddess of freedom because she promoted the ideals for the personal freedom to do anything that felt good. She was called the matron goddess of prostitution because she promoted sexual freedom. Indeed, she had invented the concept. Slaves considered her their goddess in the hopes of winning their freedom.

Many women who gained freedom later turned to prostitution to survive and thereby retained Libertas as their goddess, especially if they became priestesses in the Libertas cult.

Libertas was also a goddess of war in order to fight for freedom. She was also referred at times as the goddess of victory because freedom must have victory in order to survive. This goddess was also the goddess of immigrants.

The whole idea of immigration connoted the idea of freedom. Her popularity was also unique because of her unique doctrine of hearing personal prayers. This unique doctrine was something that most of the pagan deity doctrines were not disposed towards.[/quote]

and about the ISIS pun
[quote]The name Daesh, according to France24, is a "loose acronym" for "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham). The name is commonly used by enemies of ISIS, and it also has many negative undertones, as Daesh sounds similar to the Arabic words Daes ("one who crushes something underfoot") and Dahes ("one who sows discord"). Samantha Rollins[/quote]

Actually, Isis is a much older name for a goddess than any name that is Latin based.

The stretch of the river Thames around Oxford is also called the Isis.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis[/URL]

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[QUOTE]DeGruy explains that Bartholdi intended the statue to represent democracy and to symbolize the end of all types of oppression. However, according to DeGruy, the American decision-makers of the day rebuffed Bartholdi for including the chains and shackles and insisted that he remove them. Bartholdi was adamant that they remain, although he eventually was forced to compromise because he didn’t want to risk losing the financial support that was making the project possible. Finally, he removed the chains from Lady Liberty’s hand, replacing them with a book.

But, what most people don’t know, even today, is that Bartholdi left the broken shackles and chains that were at her feet. These symbols of state-sponsored bondage, human chattel and the hypocrisy of American exceptionalism remain there on the Statue of Liberty as a permanent reminder of the slaves that contributed to the building of the United States.

Because the height of the pedestal built to support the statue makes it impossible to see the chains and shackles from the ground, most people visiting Liberty Island remain unaware of them.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/statue-liberty-arrived-350-pieces-180955920/"]The Statue of Liberty Arrived in New York in 350 Pieces[/URL]

[QUOTE=markr;433485]From the comments: "It might be safer if we stopped using arabic numerals."[/QUOTE]

"Weapons of Math Instruction" no doubt

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Also, the statue's name is now Libertas, but was originally named Isis.

So, in a sense, Isis is fighting Isis.

And, I'm sure Brian E will love reading about Isis's idea of the definition of freedom. The god I mean, not the terror group. Totally separate things.

Edit: Been thinking about the chains and their visibility. Maybe put a bigass mirror next to them so people can look up at their reflection? Or maybe a tall thin building with a floor to ceiling view that points at the chains. Third choice is to literally let people walk around her feet.

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-helps-save-trapped-family-gets-143-bill/[/url]

[QUOTE=ewmayer;436833][URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-helps-save-trapped-family-gets-143-bill/[/URL][/QUOTE]
What a reward!

[QUOTE=kladner;436870]What a reward![/QUOTE]
One time I collapsed in a mall while pushing my sweetheart around in a wheelchair. I accepted emergency services starting a very expensive and time consuming process.

Rather than leaving Linda abandoned in her wheelchair at the mall, I had them bring Linda along with me.

Near midnight, several hours later, the only thing holding up my Emergency Room release was waiting for any nurse to follow through on the doctor ordered saline for me...
I complained to a nurse that Linda was a diabetic and we hadn't brought along her glucose test kit or insulin so could they please get me the saline and release me so that I get her home and attend to her.

The nurse didn't believe my "story," offered to test her glucose level yada yada yada. We were smart enough to refuse that. But when when we got home her blood sugar was over 400. Very Dangerous. We'd dodged ER charges on her but if we had tested her there, they would have processed her in and kept her for several hours too. And they would have been right to act that way. All they had to do was follow the damn doctors saline + release orders for me and we would have both been home getting better care hours earlier.

[QUOTE=only_human;436878]One time I collapsed in a mall while pushing my sweetheart around in a wheelchair. I accepted emergency services starting a very expensive and time consuming process.[/QUOTE]

If I may reflect...

I once fell off a landing at our house. It was about two meters above ground, and a cat got startled; said cat used me as inertia to bounce down the steps... I fell backwards towards the ground. Newton's first and second laws of motion, anyone?

Long story short... The Barbados Emergency Services were great!

They picked me up, carried me to the Ambulance, and then carried me to QEH.

Many xrays, examinations and injections of painkillers later, guess what my bill was?

$0.

[QUOTE=chalsall;436897]$0.[/QUOTE]
You are lucky it didn't happen like in the story with the australian and [URL="https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place/post/the-gas-bill-a-true-story"]the $0 check[/URL]... :smile:(which I, as a programmer, believe it is a total hoax, not a bit of truth in it, just some good written internet fantasy, but well... imagine it is real... )

This is where we really have it great in the UK with the NHS. We would never pay anything(apart from prescriptions of ~£8 an item). You could chop your hand off and they would sew it back on for free.

[QUOTE=henryzz;437189]This is where we really have it great in the UK with the NHS. We would never pay anything(apart from prescriptions of ~£8 an item). You could chop your hand off and they would sew it back on for free.[/QUOTE]
Things have improved here in the US for general primary care physician care. I saw my primary care physician on Monday. He ordered a bunch of blood tests and scheduled a phone call follow-up that will be in two weeks. I didn't even need to step on a scale. The chair I was seated in in the doctor's room also weighed me. A phlebotomist came directly to me; I didn't have to walk to a lab room. The results were available online - some that day and some the next. The doctor emailed me on Tuesday about the results and discussed the out of range readings. My total costs were $5. I didn't need any prescriptions refilled or new prescriptions at that time. In the recent past the lab work would have been at least an extra $50.

[QUOTE=henryzz;437189]This is where we really have it great in the UK with the NHS. We would never pay anything(apart from prescriptions of ~£8 an item). You could chop your hand off and they would sew it back on for free.[/QUOTE]Funny, that. I had NHS dental treatment two days ago. Cost me rather more than £8. Perhaps I could get a refund?

[QUOTE=xilman;437192]Funny, that. I had NHS dental treatment two days ago. Cost me rather more than £8. Perhaps I could get a refund?[/QUOTE]

Dentist and opticians are exceptions. You still wouldn't pay for serious in hospital treatment I think though. They are still a lot cheaper than private although they do give you mercury fillings.

[QUOTE=only_human;437190]The doctor emailed me on Tuesday about the results and discussed the out of range readings.[/QUOTE]
Firstly: I hope it was nothing serious!

Secondly: I would not allow a doctor to E-mail any details of my confidential medical records unless it was suitably encrypted.

[QUOTE=Nick;437197]Firstly: I hope it was nothing serious!

Secondly: I would not allow a doctor to E-mail any details of my confidential medical records unless it was suitably encrypted.[/QUOTE]
Not serious. I have ulcerative colitis so a sedimentation rate test indicates a out of range high inflammation rate but that's normal for me. I take an immunosuppressant. Bilirubin is high for no particular reason but not especially concerning. I've had a lot more discomfort this year including more heartburn and reflux so we discussed the prilosec that I take and tested blood for heliobater pylori antibodies. We discussed dosage of an antidepressant that I take and a cough that I don't like that crops up occasionally and unexpectedly that bothered me during jury duty a couple of weeks ago.

In short they scheduled this appointment on my behalf because a fair amount of time has passed since I've last seen them. It's nice that they are staying on top of ongoing health maintenance.

As far as email security, actually they do it like banks - you receive an email alert that a message exists and then you sign in to their secure site message center to read it or to send a message in turn.

[QUOTE=henryzz;437196]Dentist and opticians are exceptions. You still wouldn't pay for serious in hospital treatment I think though. They are still a lot cheaper than private although they do give you mercury fillings.[/QUOTE]Thank you for clarifying the situation for non-UK readers. I was concerned that they would get the wrong impression from your earlier post.

[QUOTE=only_human;437198]Not serious. I have ulcerative colitis so a sedimentation rate test indicates a out of range high inflammation rate but that's normal for me. I take an immunosuppressant.[/QUOTE]

Much as I deplore the proliferation of BigPharma "expensive lifestyle drug with inane tech-start-uppy-name with huge list of dangerous side effects and which you must take until you die because profits" TV ads, I could not help notice that at least one of them is for a UC drug. Checked it out? Or is that the "immunosuppressant" you're already taking?

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Tangential: From my Dad's side of the family I inherited a proneness to eczema ... standard treatment for decades has been hydrocortisone - I've several times tried stronger stuff during flare-ups, but side effects not worth it. But recently discovered something ... I'd long noted a correlation between tiredness/soreness and remission of skin irritation, figured it was just immunosuppression-by-way-of-tiredness. But last weak overdid it on the exercise and tweaked my right shoulder, so that evening took a dose of ibuprofen, my standard anti-soreness remedy. Note the exercise in question had been vigorous but not exhausting, so the only noticeable aftereffect was the sore shoulder, and I happened to be having a skin flareup at the time. Within hours shoulder was a little better (that took better part of a week to recover), but skin had completely stopped itching, too. Turns out - at least in my case, YMMV - ibuprofen is also an effective remedy for the inflammation of eczema ... since then been taking a modest dose (400mg) around dinner time each day, and cut my hydrocortisone usage drastically. And generic ibuprofen is very cheap.

[QUOTE=ewmayer;437233]Much as I deplore the proliferation of BigPharma "expensive lifestyle drug with inane tech-start-uppy-name with huge list of dangerous side effects and which you must take until you die because profits" TV ads, I could not help notice that at least one of them is for a UC drug. Checked it out? Or is that the "immunosuppressant" you're already taking?

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Tangential: From my Dad's side of the family I inherited a proneness to eczema ... standard treatment for decades has been hydrocortisone - I've several times tried stronger stuff during flare-ups, but side effects not worth it. But recently discovered something ... I'd long noted a correlation between tiredness/soreness and remission of skin irritation, figured it was just immunosuppression-by-way-of-tiredness. But last weak overdid it on the exercise and tweaked my right shoulder, so that evening took a dose of ibuprofen, my standard anti-soreness remedy. Note the exercise in question had been vigorous but not exhausting, so the only noticeable aftereffect was the sore shoulder, and I happened to be having a skin flareup at the time. Within hours shoulder was a little better (that took better part of a week to recover), but skin had completely stopped itching, too. Turns out - at least in my case, YMMV - ibuprofen is also an effective remedy for the inflammation of eczema ... since then been taking a modest dose (400mg) around dinner time each day, and cut my hydrocortisone usage drastically. And generic ibuprofen is very cheap.[/QUOTE]
I take Imuran; it's actually quite inexpensive. I had to be on prednisone to manage things for several months while waiting for the effects of Imuran to fully kick in. As for nonsteroidal antiinflamitories for pain relief or inflammation management, I don't think that I am supposed to take any of them. There's some harmful inflammation interaction and a deadly condition called toxic megalacolon. I was in considerable pain in February and March but it wasn't a full-on flair. I think if marijuana is legalized for all uses whatsoever in California I may look into it for distraction and relief the next time I feel myself in such dire discomfort. There is a certain amount of bleeding that occurs internally generally especially noticeable when I'm having cramps. I've had lots of colonoscopies and polyps removed twice. There is white scarring on the walls that was pointed during a couple of the procedures I had without anaesthesia. These days I let them knock me out; although my pain tolerance is high they prefer to run through the procedure quickly and I think the times I was conscious they did not pump in any air to avoid creating more discomfort and I don't want to impact the procedure in any way. The next scoping will be scheduled in October; it's only being done every two years these days for me. When my condition was harder to control they were up in there looking around every year.

They first prescribed sulfasalazine but I had to take a lot of it and it didn't work too well. Then we tried Asacol, which is like sulfasalazine but only containing the biological useful portion of the 5-asa drug to avoid some side effects. That was too expensive a prescription for me to afford.

My red blood count is low, generally, from some bleeding. If Imuran stops managing my condition the next go to treatment is an in hospital IV treatment called Remicaid that stops problems (snaps fingers) like that. So knowing that is available provides some reassurance. I hope I don't need to go to that. My teeth cleaning hygenist knows a woman whose husband somehow died almost immediately after receiving Remicade due to some opportunistic Listeria infection that may have sprung out some unexpected body reservoir. She said he didn't eat dairy but I thought about their situation during the two recent Listeria vegetable food recalls.

There is also a surgical treatment but I'd like to keep my large intestine as long as possible. When I was first diagnosed they were talking about elevated cancer risk driving surgical procedures after about 10 years, but they don't seem to be talking that way anymore.

[QUOTE=kladner;436870]What a reward![/QUOTE]
If I were the dude that was in the van, I'd be paying the fee for him.

[QUOTE=only_human;437190]Things have improved here in the US for general primary care physician care. I saw my primary care physician on Monday. He ordered a bunch of blood tests and scheduled a phone call follow-up that will be in two weeks. I didn't even need to step on a scale. The chair I was seated in in the doctor's room also weighed me. A phlebotomist came directly to me; I didn't have to walk to a lab room. The results were available online - some that day and some the next. The doctor emailed me on Tuesday about the results and discussed the out of range readings. My total costs were $5. I didn't need any prescriptions refilled or new prescriptions at that time. In the recent past the lab work would have been at least an extra $50.[/QUOTE]
The next step is to get the doctors, nurses and insurance companies to unfsck their prices.

Do people still get charged for $25 aspirins, or have things improved on that front?

[QUOTE=jasong;437245]The next step is to get the doctors, nurses and insurance companies to unfsck their prices.

Do people still get charged for $25 aspirins, or have things improved on that front?[/QUOTE]
All of that is still ridiculous. Everything is based on the concept of "charges" including pharmaceutical prices. The idea is that they are priced high and the paying organizations knock down prices their own ways but there is price screwing all through the system and if you have no coverage for whatever reason these phantasmagorical charges that vary all over the map and are strickingly different from place to place through no apparent logic are billed in full.

[QUOTE=only_human;437246]All of that is still ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the concept of profit motivation of health care.

You can check out at any time. But you will forever pay.

[QUOTE=only_human;437240]If Imuran stops managing my condition the next go to treatment is an in hospital IV treatment called Remicaid that stops problems (snaps fingers) like that. So knowing that is available provides some reassurance. I hope I don't need to go to that. My teeth cleaning hygenist knows a woman whose husband somehow died almost immediately after receiving Remicade due to some opportunistic Listeria infection that may have sprung out some unexpected body reservoir. She said he didn't eat dairy but I thought about their situation during the two recent Listeria vegetable food recalls.

There is also a surgical treatment but I'd like to keep my large intestine as long as possible. When I was first diagnosed they were talking about elevated cancer risk driving surgical procedures after about 10 years, but they don't seem to be talking that way anymore.[/QUOTE]

Saw another ad for the inane-named new-ish UC/Crohn's drug this evening - "Entyvio". Betcha it's priced somewhere below low earth orbit and the average lunar distance, but might be worth looking into, unless you and your Doc have already ruled it out. Good luck with everything ... my older sis has UC, was quite bad in her late teens and college years, but it seems to be in semi-remission in her case.

[QUOTE=ewmayer;437261]Saw another ad for the inane-named new-ish UC/Crohn's drug this evening - "Entyvio". Betcha it's priced somewhere below low earth orbit and the average lunar distance, but might be worth looking into, unless you and your Doc have already ruled it out. Good luck with everything ... my older sis has UC, was quite bad in her late teens and college years, but it seems to be in semi-remission in her case.[/QUOTE]
I will ask my GI doctor about it when I see him in October. I think I'm probably ok on the Imuran and at least it is something I know I can afford but I usually check with him about developments anyway.

[QUOTE=ewmayer;437233] since then been taking a modest dose (400mg) around dinner time each day,[/QUOTE]

I have a friend that nearly died from daily ibuprofen use. The drug burned a hole in her stomach with severe complications.

Proceed with caution.

[QUOTE=Prime95;437299]I have a friend that nearly died from daily ibuprofen use. The drug burned a hole in her stomach with severe complications.

Proceed with caution.[/QUOTE]

Thanks - if you're still in touch with her, would you mind asking her if she had any early-warning symptoms, or did the stomach damage manifest without warning? (Also the dosage she was using would be useful to know.) Here [url=http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/features/anti-inflammatory-drugs-rheumatoid-arthritis]is a WebMD page[/url] on the subject ... I always take with food, generally with dinner, so that's a help. But sounds like experimentation is in order to see if "only take when actual inflammation manifests" is similarly effective to daily prophylaxis.

You might consider indomethacin. Our experience is that it is easier on our stomach. You need a prescription for it but it is not expensive.

YMMV

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