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ewmayer 2020-08-05 23:57

[QUOTE=chalsall;552709]Hawking radiation is similar, but different.[/QUOTE]

?

chalsall 2020-08-06 00:10

[QUOTE=ewmayer;552717]?[/QUOTE]

A huge over-simplifaction (subject to correct by those who actually understand this stuff)...

Drop your thinking down to Quantum. Introduce virtual-particles. Run the simulations.

The speed C can't be reached by most particles (although they can get darn close, and others are stuck at that speed).

So they'll bleed off energy when required.

(And Black Holes evaporate.)

xilman 2020-08-06 01:01

[QUOTE=chalsall;552718]A huge over-simplifaction (subject to correct by those who actually understand this stuff)...

Drop your thinking down to Quantum. Introduce virtual-particles. Run the simulations.

The speed C can't be reached by most particles (although they can get darn close, and others are stuck at that speed).

So they'll bleed off energy when required.

(And Black Holes evaporate.)[/QUOTE]Re-?

chalsall 2020-08-06 01:13

[QUOTE=xilman;552721]Re-?[/QUOTE]

42. What was the question again?

kladner 2020-08-06 03:33

Lots of videos at that link (Beirut.) In some of them you see what I think must be chunks of concrete flying off the top of a building as the shock wave hits. Nearby highrise at the port appears to have no wall left on the facing side.

Grim stuff. Shades of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster"]Texas City[/URL]. That was slightly less ammonium nitrate on board a ship in the harbor: 2300 tons NH[SUP]4[/SUP]NO[SUP]3[/SUP] was the trigger for many secondary explosions, since there were oil storage tanks and refineries flattened, and another ship loaded with NH[SUP]4[/SUP]NO[SUP]3[/SUP] which exploded a bit later.
[QUOTE]A mid-morning fire started on board the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]French[/URL]-registered vessel SS [I]Grandcamp[/I] (docked in the port) and detonated her cargo of about 2,300 [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton"]tons[/URL] (about 2,086 [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne"]metric tons[/URL]) of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate"]ammonium nitrate[/URL].[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster#cite_note-fire_report-1"][1][/URL] This started a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_reaction"]chain reaction[/URL] of fires and explosions in other ships and nearby [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_depot"]oil-storage facilities[/URL], ultimately killing at least 581 people, including all but one member of the Texas City fire department.[/QUOTE]

xilman 2020-08-06 10:00

[QUOTE=chalsall;552725]42. What was the question again?[/QUOTE]What features of quantum electrodynamics leads you to the conclusion that Čerenkov radiation is similar to Hawking radiation?

Restricting attention solely to photons, Hawking radiation is emitted isotropically and with a thermal spectral distribution. Čerenkov is highly non-thermal and very anisotropic.

The Hawking process produces massive and mass-less particles. The Čerenkov process only mass-less ones.

Those are just a couple of examples which spring instantly to mind.

Xyzzy 2020-08-06 12:21

Shockwave videos of all sorts: [URL]http://old.reddit.com/r/shockwaveporn[/URL]

chalsall 2020-08-06 14:52

[QUOTE=xilman;552750]What features of quantum electrodynamics leads you to the conclusion that Čerenkov radiation is similar to Hawking radiation?[/QUOTE]

They both have the word "radiation" in them? :wink:

You are of course aware that I only have a meta understanding of the Quantum domain.

I can't hold a candle to folks like you (sincerely). :smile:

Uncwilly 2020-08-06 18:03

With those many views and many structures, there will be much data for blast propagation and building techniques and materials. The shadow of the granary in the shockwave is interesting.

PhilF 2020-08-06 20:53

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I stole this from the megaporn link above. This is (supposedly) a picture of the warehouse with the door open, with the chemical culprit in full view.

ewmayer 2020-08-06 22:10

[QUOTE=PhilF;552797]I stole this from the megaporn link above. This is (supposedly) a picture of the warehouse with the door open, with the chemical culprit in full view.[/QUOTE]

The Moon of Alabama article I linked to featured the same pic - and all those thousands of tons of this stuff were sitting there for over 6 *years*, just waiting for a suitable heat source, a welder's spark, a dropped still-lit cigarette remnant, what have you.


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