[QUOTE=science_man_88;466063]maybe some of the thought "standardness" was from a newtonian viewpoint? under relativity are there any times when two things can look the same brightness etc. but not actually be ? if so maybe that's a cause ?[/QUOTE]
I don't think the "nonstandardness" has much to do with relativistic effects on light already emitted. Rather, it's in differences in how type 1a supernovas blow up. Some differences have already been mentioned, for example, in a 3-YO article fron [b]National Geographic[/b], [url=http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/08/28/type-1a-supernovas-cosmic-candle-mystery/]Type 1a Supernovae: Why Our Standard Candle Isn’t Really Standard[/url].

This isn't the only supernova-related orthodoxy to come into question in recent years. Another is, how elements with atomic number greater than that of iron (26) have been formed. It used to be cut-and-dried, they come from supernovas. In more recent years, it has been suggested that (1) Supernovas really aren't very good at producing heavy elements (e.g. gold), and (2) Colliding neutron stars can produce elements like gold in much greater amounts. Now, neutron stars don't collide very often, but still -- it does happen.

Iron is important here, because trying to form heavier elements via fusion [i]absorbs[/i] energy. Fusion forming lighter elements gives off energy.

@sm88: Trust me, any study of such cosmological-scale phenomena which does not properly take account of basic effects such as redshift due to the expansion of the universe will never appear in the peer-reviewed literature. In the literature redshift-with-distance appears as a parameter called z - it's really, really basic stuff. The only things that ever need updating in that regard are ongoing refinements to the precise values resulting from better data and models. Very, very low-% stuff.

[QUOTE=ewmayer;466090]@sm88: Trust me, any study of such cosmological-scale phenomena which does not properly take account of basic effects such as redshift due to the expansion of the universe will never appear in the peer-reviewed literature. In the literature redshift-with-distance appears as a parameter called z - it's really, really basic stuff. The only things that ever need updating in that regard are ongoing refinements to the precise values resulting from better data and models. Very, very low-% stuff.[/QUOTE]

problem is is not recession rate related to standard candles and redshift if so we don't need to care if it was taken into account it could be wrong as accounted for.

[url]https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/ancient-tablet-reveals-babylonians-discovered-trigonometry/[/url]

[url=https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/26/alzheimers-disease-shock-for-genetic-ancestry-hunters]Warnings over shock dementia revelations from ancestry DNA tests[/url] | Science | The Guardian

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/science/utah-paleontologists-turn-to-crowdfunding-for-raptor-project.html?em_pos=medium&emc=edit_sc_20170829&nl=science-times&nl_art=1&nlid=69988982&ref=headline&te=1"]Interesting dinosaur fossil story[/URL]. I donated to help support the cause.

That is really exciting! It sounds like the site was somewhat analogous to tar pits. Prey creatures get stuck, and predators coming after them get stuck.

Houston, We have a problem.....
 

Meant to post in Climate Change. :unsure:

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I wonder how long before we find out if this is true.

[URL="https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript-has-finally-been-decoded/"]Voynich Manuscript has been Decoded[/URL]

[QUOTE=rogue;467513]I wonder how long before we find out if this is true.

[URL="https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript-has-finally-been-decoded/"]Voynich Manuscript has been Decoded[/URL][/QUOTE]

see update in the first paragraph about scholar's starting to debunk the claims.