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[QUOTE=retina;394678]Perhaps it depends upon your definition of "recently" and "view".[/QUOTE]

I'll let anyone else define "view" as they choose. :smile:

As for "recently", say within the past two years.

[QUOTE=davar55;394676]I have a question.

Has anyone here recently changed their view on whether there is or isn't a God,
and whether or not this can be proved?[/QUOTE]
Wait. Of course!

Quite recently one davar55 proved that Capitalism [B]is[/B] God, and he is defending Him [B]religiously[/B]:
- Capitalism is omnipotent; there is nothing it can't do. Do not be confused by with perversions of people trying to build their own capitalism in His image. All of them failed miserably so far.
- Capitalism is Freedom. Only Capitalism will set you Free. Before Capitalism, Freedom didn't exist
- Capitalism is the only thing there is without sin. Again, do not be confused with what [I]you[/I] think of Him; you are misguided, you are thinking of capitalism, and Shirley, it is not the same thing
- ...
- PROFIT?!!!

Was the French Engels quote too obscure? Ok, in plain English: "Well, then, Capitalism is your religion!"

Seriously, a scientist does not approach scientific matters religiously (or some people can refer to this as fiat argument, or simply an exercise in circular logic) - "this is so, because be definition it is so; I just defined an object for you in plain English for which it is always so, and now I will expand at length on its property of being so, and voila, I just proved that it is so - and you all dare to question my logic?"

The whole nations make the same epistemological mistake, so don't feel bad. Take one nation where religion was suppressed for 70 years - their need to believe in anything has now overcome any shred of rationality, en masse. (A gross exaggeration, to be sure.) The consequences are far from humorous, but the margins of this [STRIKE]book[/STRIKE] monograph are too narrow to contain a satisfactory discussion of this matter.

@ Batalov- :grin: Thanks.

[QUOTE=Batalov;394730]Wait. Of course!

Quite recently one davar55 proved that Capitalism [B]is[/B] God, and he is defending Him [B]religiously[/B]:
- Capitalism is omnipotent; there is nothing it can't do. Do not be confused by with perversions of people trying to build their own capitalism in His image. All of them failed miserably so far.
- Capitalism is Freedom. Only Capitalism will set you Free. Before Capitalism, Freedom didn't exist
- Capitalism is the only thing there is without sin. Again, do not be confused with what [I]you[/I] think of Him; you are misguided, you are thinking of capitalism, and Shirley, it is not the same thing
- ...
- PROFIT?!!!

Was the French Engels quote too obscure? Ok, in plain English: "Well, then, Capitalism is your religion!"

Seriously, a scientist does not approach scientific matters religiously (or some people can refer to this as fiat argument, or simply an exercise in circular logic) - "this is so, because be definition it is so; I just defined an object for you in plain English for which it is always so, and now I will expand at length on its property of being so, and voila, I just proved that it is so - and you all dare to question my logic?"

The whole nations make the same epistemological mistake, so don't feel bad. Take one nation where religion was suppressed for 70 years - their need to believe in anything has now overcome any shred of rationality, en masse. (A gross exaggeration, to be sure.) The consequences are far from humorous, but the margins of this [STRIKE]book[/STRIKE] monograph are too narrow to contain a satisfactory discussion of this matter.[/QUOTE]Brilliant!

@Batalov: Genial!

(:razz:)

Doesn't reciprocity imply no ganging up? :smile:

[QUOTE=davar55;394779]Doesn't reciprocity imply no ganging up? :smile:[/QUOTE]
I'd say it does, yes. I'll try to tone down my own responses to your posts in future.

Hey! Isn't Democracy one of your Prime Virtuous Things? Are you objecting to people voting on, or reviewing another participant's discourse?

Then too, if you [METAPHOR]piss on a hornets' nest[/METAPHOR], you can't be all that surprised if a few stingers get through. :wink:

[QUOTE=Brian-E;394784]I'd say it does, yes. I'll try to tone down my own responses to your posts in future.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kladner;394792]Hey! Isn't Democracy one of your Prime Virtuous Things? Are you objecting to people voting on, or reviewing another participant's discourse?
Then too, if you [METAPHOR]piss on a hornets' nest[/METAPHOR], you can't be all that surprised if a few stingers get through. :wink:[/QUOTE]

As long as tone down doesn't mean talk down to. I've never seen you harsh agianst any post.
And I stand by 98% of my posts from the last 9 years I've rescinded a few in which I was either
harsh or in error. It happens. But my experience here has been valuable to me. Just want to
keep on reading, contributing, getting (some) positive feedback. Even the negatives (you know
who you were) make me think, and that's the cardinal virtue. So thanks.

[QUOTE=davar55;394804]As long as tone down doesn't mean talk down to.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. I meant that I would try to show respect for your point of view even when challenging it.