Tips are part of eating out, if you aren't going to tip stay home and eat flat meat on white bread.

[QUOTE=chappy;326986]Tips are part of eating out ...[/QUOTE]Hehe, a very USA centric view. I am curious to know how such a tipping culture got started.

exactly correct, and since the news story was about a Crapplebees in the US...

Waitstaff is paid below minimum wage under the assumption of gratuities. That is handled differently in other countries.

[QUOTE=retina;326987]Hehe, a very USA centric view. I am curious to know how such a tipping culture got started.[/QUOTE]
I can't speak as to other countries, but in the US it is pervasive; employers can even pay servers who regularly receive tips less than the usual minimum wage (in about half of the states). That lower wage can be as low as $2.13 an hour.

[QUOTE=chappy;326986]Tips are part of eating out, if you aren't going to tip stay home and eat flat meat on white bread.[/QUOTE]

see I only tip if forced by family because I think service is normal.

[QUOTE=science_man_88;327023]see I only tip if forced by family because I think service is normal.[/QUOTE]

Then you shouldn't eat out, or you should only eat at places where the staff is paid accordingly (fast food).

Service is normal, which is why tipping is normal.

Waitstaff is paid under the assumption that they will recieve tips. People who don't tip either don't understand this or they are [SPOILER]redacted[/SPOILER].

[QUOTE=science_man_88;327023]see I only tip if forced by family because I think service is normal.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=chappy;327029]Then you shouldn't eat out, or you should only eat at places where the staff is paid accordingly (fast food).[/QUOTE]Don't go to the same place twice. You might get something special in your food if you don't tip.

I know that Olive Garden pays that $2.13 per hour to wait staff and tries to keep them from going over 40 hours a week. Like the extra $1.06 an hour would cause the company too much.

[QUOTE=chappy;327029]Then you shouldn't eat out, or you should only eat at places where the staff is paid accordingly (fast food).

Service is normal, which is why tipping is normal.

Waitstaff is paid under the assumption that they will recieve tips. People who don't tip either don't understand this or they are [SPOILER]redacted[/SPOILER].[/QUOTE]


if the family brings me out they won't let me not eat so I kinda have no choice, I'm not one to want to eat out on my own since I kinda am not supposed to eat a lot of sodium.

[QUOTE=chappy;327029]Then you shouldn't eat out, or you should only eat at places where the staff is paid accordingly (fast food).

Service is normal, which is why tipping is normal.

Waitstaff is paid under the assumption that they will recieve tips. People who don't tip either don't understand this or they are [SPOILER]redacted[/SPOILER].[/QUOTE]"Places" include many countries in the civilised world.

Tipping in the UK is common enough but hardly ever obligatory, though some places add an "optional" service charges on large parties. Even when a tip is given, it is rare to give more than 10%.

In the Czech republic it's normal to give any left over small change as a tip but unusual to give a fixed percentage. A meal which comes to CZK 295 would generally be paid for with 300 Koruny and the waiter would keep the change, even though 5 Koruny is only pennies --- 17p on this side of the pond and 27c on the other. Sometimes the tip comes to more than 10% but not often. You might pay Kč300 for a Kč270 meal but that's about at the limit and Kč270 or Kč280 would be more typical.


Paul

[QUOTE=xilman;327062]"Places" include many countries in the civilised world.

Tipping in the UK is common enough but hardly ever obligatory, though some places add an "optional" service charges on large parties. Even when a tip is given, it is rare to give more than 10%.

In the Czech republic it's normal to give any left over small change as a tip but unusual to give a fixed percentage. A meal which comes to CZK 295 would generally be paid for with 300 Koruny and the waiter would keep the change, even though 5 Koruny is only pennies --- 17p on this side of the pond and 27c on the other. Sometimes the tip comes to more than 10% but not often. You might pay Kč300 for a Kč270 meal but that's about at the limit and Kč270 or Kč280 would be more typical.


Paul[/QUOTE]

and the story that started this discussion was still about the US. I understand that other countries do things differently. But, that has no bearing on the situation at hand, unless you or others want to suggest that the US start charging more for the meals and paying the waitstaff a decent wage. I'd be okay with that.

Might need a mod to take all this to a different thread. I hesistate to think about what it will be titled.

[QUOTE=chappy;327066] you or others want to suggest that the US start charging more for the meals and paying the waitstaff a decent wage. I'd be okay with that. [/QUOTE]Sounds good to me.