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Sieve needed for a^(2^b)+(a+1)^(2^b)
Integers of the form i=[a^(2^b)]+[(a+1)^(2^b)], with a,b integers; provide very prime (or prp-3) series with increasing a, as the possible prime factors of composite i are highly restricted in this series.
As far as I can make out, this series has not been explored before. I would think that an assault on the Lifchitz prp list could be made by a team from this site, but to do so would require a windows executable that quickly eliminates a's that give composite i at a given b. This should be relatively easy given the quality of sieve programmers here. What is needed is an understanding of the primes that appear as factors. I lack this understanding at present. Regards Robert Smith |
So, you're proposing a Generalized Fermat Number with fixed b? AFAIK, Geoff had written a sieve for this, but (I think) it is limited to a^(2^b)+1 form. But pretty sure, he can hack it to fit your need.
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It's easy to prove that if p=(prime)divisor of a^(2^b)+(a+1)^(2^b) then p-1 is divisible by 2^(b+1).
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[QUOTE=robert44444uk;174161]Integers of the form i=[a^(2^b)]+[(a+1)^(2^b)], with a,b integers; provide very prime (or prp-3) series with increasing a, as the possible prime factors of composite i are highly restricted in this series.
As far as I can make out, this series has not been explored before. I would think that an assault on the Lifchitz prp list could be made by a team from this site, but to do so would require a windows executable that quickly eliminates a's that give composite i at a given b. This should be relatively easy given the quality of sieve programmers here. What is needed is an understanding of the primes that appear as factors. I lack this understanding at present. Regards Robert Smith[/QUOTE] I am not sure what you mean by "very prime...series", but for any fixed a, such primes will be quite rare. |
The primes are rare for fixed A for the same reason that Fermat primes are rare, but the hope is that they will be relatively more common for fixed B than among a set of random numbers of the same size; for instance, n^128 + (n+1)^128 is prime for the twenty values <3000
31 37 65 191 255 287 359 786 836 1178 1229 1503 1601 1609 2093 2103 2254 2307 2471 2934 whilst [tex]\sum_{i=1}^{3000} \frac{1}{\log(i^{128}+(i+1)^{128})} \approx 3.46[/tex] |
[QUOTE=fivemack;174170]The primes are rare for fixed A for the same reason that Fermat primes are rare, but the hope is that they will be relatively more common for fixed B than among a set of random numbers of the same size; for instance, n^128 + (n+1)^128 is prime for the twenty values <3000
31 37 65 191 255 287 359 786 836 1178 1229 1503 1601 1609 2093 2103 2254 2307 2471 2934 whilst [tex]\sum_{i=1}^{3000} \frac{1}{\log(i^{128}+(i+1)^{128}} \approx 3.46[/tex][/QUOTE] An interesting question that I am going to look into is: Does the sum (over all a,b) of the reciprocals of these primes converge? |
[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;174173]An interesting question that I am going to look into is:
Does the sum (over all a,b) of the reciprocals of these primes converge?[/QUOTE] Yes, it converges. |
[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;174166]I am not sure what you mean by "very prime...series", but for any
fixed a, such primes will be quite rare.[/QUOTE] I meant variable a, fixed b. It will be a very prime series because there are so few allowable prime factors. However, in some cases, these rare prime factors are factors of 50% of a. A case in question is b=3, then 17 is a factor of 50% of a. These prime factors are of the form [2^(b+1)]+1 so b=3 and 7 do not give very prime series. If a sieve is constructed using a formula to generate the possible factors of i, this would allow some very deep factoring indeed, lessening the need for prp-3 tests, which is why I think the series interesting. The prp-3 top 10000 allows us to look first at b=12 and produce prp-3's quickly that qualify for the lower part of the 10000. But higher b should make the top of the list quake in their boots. |
[QUOTE=R. Gerbicz;174165]It's easy to prove that if p=(prime)divisor of a^(2^b)+(a+1)^(2^b) then p-1 is divisible by 2^(b+1).[/QUOTE]
This looks the key. Shame I did not spot this by observation. So the sieve only has to calculate all the primes in x*2^(b+1)+1, x integer and increasing. |
[QUOTE=fivemack;174170]The primes are rare for fixed A for the same reason that Fermat primes are rare, but the hope is that they will be relatively more common for fixed B than among a set of random numbers of the same size; for instance, n^128 + (n+1)^128 is prime for the twenty values <3000
[/QUOTE] See notes above relating to b=7 - this is not a very prime series as 2^(7+1)+1 is prime. |
[URL="http://factorization.ath.cx/search.php?query=x*2%5E%28b%2B1%29%2B1&v=x&x=1&b=12&EC=1&E=1&Prp=1&P=1&of=H&pp=500&se=Update"][U]this [/U][/URL]is a link to a list of the possible factors for b=12
it should be easily adjustable to other values of b if i have got it right then there is an amazingly small number of possible factors |
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