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An Unurned Sum
An urn contains n balls numbered 1 through n, for integer n > 0.
The balls are removed randomly one by one. What's the probability that, at some point, the sum of the values on the removed balls is a multiple of n? If you count permutations, or simulate random drawings to get an expected value, find the probability for n = 1 through, say, 20. There is, however, a shortcut (hint). |
[SPOILER]for n odd, sum(n) is always a multiple of n, so the probabilty for all odd n is 1[/SPOILER]
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2 is trivially 1/2 4 is 9/24 = 3/8 6 is 221/720 [/spoiler] I'll come back to this |
[QUOTE=starrynte;172112][spoiler]
4 is 9/24 = 3/8 [/spoiler] I'll come back to this[/QUOTE] [spoiler]you sure about that?[/spoiler] |
[quote=Orgasmic Troll;172197][spoiler]you sure about that?[/spoiler][/quote]
[spoiler]Hmmm...<double checks>4, (1,3), (3,1), (1,3,4),(1,4,3),(3,1,4),(3,4,1),(4,1,3),(4,3,1)</double checks> What was my mistake? (if there was an error then the probability for 6 is probably also wrong)[/spoiler] |
[QUOTE=starrynte;172349][spoiler]Hmmm...<double checks>4, (1,3), (3,1), (1,3,4),(1,4,3),(3,1,4),(3,4,1),(4,1,3),(4,3,1)</double checks> What was my mistake? (if there was an error then the probability for 6 is probably also wrong)[/spoiler][/QUOTE]
[spoiler]hint: how are 4213 and 4231 counted in your scheme?[/spoiler] |
So far, I have
[spoiler]n = 4 : 12/24 n = 6 : 440/720 n = 8 : 23688/40320 I do not see a way to simplify it yet [/spoiler] |
[quote=Orgasmic Troll;172354][spoiler]hint: how are 4213 and 4231 counted in your scheme?[/spoiler][/quote]
[spoiler]4213 and 4231 don't add up to a multiple of 4, they aren't counted...I don't follow.[/spoiler] |
[QUOTE=starrynte;172656][spoiler]4213 and 4231 don't add up to a multiple of 4, they aren't counted...I don't follow.[/spoiler][/QUOTE]
[spoiler]4 is a multiple of 4[/spoiler] |
[spoiler]OK I see now[/spoiler]
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Here's a few more values - assuming my quick and dirty program is correct. I
can't see how to do this one analytically. Anyone have any insights? [CODE] [SPOILER] -- ------------------- ---------- ------------------------------ n P(S) Simplified Decimal -- ------------------- ---------- ------------------------------ 2 1/2 1/2 0.5000000000000000000000000000 4 12/24 1/2 0.5000000000000000000000000000 6 440/720 11/18 0.6111111111111111111111111111 8 23688/40320 47/80 0.5875000000000000000000000000 10 2223936/3628800 429/700 0.6128571428571428571428571429 12 293639808/479001600 9931/16200 0.6130246913580246913580246914 -- ------------------- ---------- ------------------------------ [/SPOILER] [/CODE] |
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