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Dubslow 2011-12-16 01:28

As for LL-100M, it said "Current assignment won't be finished within a year -- may be unreserved then'. But clearly this doesn't happen to ckdo, but it's also true his work would not be automatically assigned anyways, so potentially that 1 year rule wouldn't apply. Otherwise drh is correct.

Rodrigo 2011-12-16 07:51

[QUOTE=ckdo;282324]There's a rather simple explanation: I have a lot of similar assignments - 8,000 or some such. While this may seem like an enormous number, I have already completed 64,000+ of those. I'm rather positive none of the rest will expire, even if the final result is a long way down the road. :smile:[/QUOTE]
ckdo,

This is an opportunity for me, cheesehead, and others following this discussion to learn more about the process of obtaining a large number of assignments. In the last several posts, we've been wondering what one needs to do in order to receive 10,000 (or, as in your case, 8,000) P-1's. Is it some sort of manual process? How many months' worth of work can you (anyone) reserve? Can you use the automated Prime95 settings to request that much work?

Thanks!

Rodrigo

LaurV 2011-12-16 09:09

I could get about 300 exponents by cheating the server to believe I have a very fast computer (30GHz) in the last 5 minutes (now let's see how I get rid of them :smile:).

I put in prime.txt something like"
DaysOfWork=60
MaxExponents=10000
UnreserveDays=20000

and in local.txt:
OldCpuSpeed=30000
NewCpuSpeedCount=0
NewCpuSpeed=0
CpuSpeed=30000

This would do it....

[edit offtopic] About the "poaching" of M1061, just to clarify the things in my favour :P, my job started long ago, on a very slow computer, which I somehow forgot about, as I already [URL="http://mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=279785&postcount=121"]explained there[/URL], and I was a bit surprised too, to see the job done and the credit given. I believe I started it [B]before[/B] nfs@home begun sieving on it, or even poly selection, this just to clarify the things. This takes time, it took over two months, you don't get 122Ghz-days credit for a P-1 overnight job...
[end of edit, and end of the discussion about poaching, from my side]

James Heinrich 2011-12-16 12:42

[QUOTE=Rodrigo;282391]what one needs to do in order to receive 10,000 (or, as in your case, 8,000) P-1's.[/QUOTE]My process is nothing fancy:[list=1][*][url=http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/p1small.php]Get assignments[/url] (from wherever you like)[*][url=http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/balance.php]Balance the assignments[/url] across 4 workers[*]Dump them into Prime95 and let it chat with the server for an hour or so reserving all the assignments[*]After reservation is complete, check for and remove and N/A assignment (probably assigned to someone else)[/list]I currently have about 2000 assignments reserved that way.

bcp19 2011-12-16 14:47

[QUOTE=cheesehead;282135]As is common with poachery justifications, that leaves out something important.

"Didn't know that extending TF was considered poaching..."
-- It wasn't [I]only[/I] extending TF. It was extending TF [I]while someone else had a legitimate assignment[/I] (as you yourself acknowledged in your preceding sentence, but not this one).

[I]That overlap with a proper assignment[/I] is what distinguishes poaching from legitimate non-overlapping work.

Why did you leave out that overlapping-an-assignment factor and try to pretend that the bare TF extension was what was accused to be poachery?[/QUOTE]

These are 7M exponents, someone is just going through either 1) seeing if a bad P-1 had been done in the past or 2) trying to factor as many things as possible. I don't see the problem myself, I used James' website to grab a bunch of P-1 in the 7.1-7.2M range but they are running on an old laptop not connected to the internet, so no assignment, but it spits out a result every 42 minutes, so every couple of days I copy the results to thumbdrive and submit. If I ran those on this machine, it'd probably spit one out every 3-4 minutes lol. If someone "poaches" one of mine due to it not being "assigned" oh well.

[QUOTE=ckdo;282324]There's a rather simple explanation: I have a lot of similar assignments - 8,000 or some such. While this may seem like an enormous number, I have already completed 64,000+ of those. I'm rather positive none of the rest will expire, even if the final result is a long way down the road. :smile:[/QUOTE]

None will expire as long as your computer is on the net talking to the server every x days and your unreservedays=x is not exceeded.

Rodrigo 2011-12-16 17:52

[QUOTE=James Heinrich;282407]My process is nothing fancy:[LIST=1][*][URL="http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/p1small.php"]Get assignments[/URL] (from wherever you like)[*][URL="http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/balance.php"]Balance the assignments[/URL] across 4 workers[*]Dump them into Prime95 and let it chat with the server for an hour or so reserving all the assignments[*]After reservation is complete, check for and remove and N/A assignment (probably assigned to someone else)[/LIST]I currently have about 2000 assignments reserved that way.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, so THAT's how it's done!

Thank you, James. Very cool.

Rodrigo

Chuck 2011-12-20 02:00

Found a nice 131 bit 40 digit factor
 
M50,232,683 has the factor

3,312,819,927,398,148,201,283,212,927,854,847,645,967

I think that's 3.312 Duodecillion. I put the commas in for davieddy

k = 3[SIZE=2][SUP][SIZE=2]2[/SIZE][/SUP] × 487 × 503 × 691 × 45497 × 248161 × 404507 × 4739381[/SIZE]

Here it is on mersenne-aires:

[URL]http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/exponent.php?exponentdetails=50232683[/URL]

KyleAskine 2011-12-20 02:40

[QUOTE=Chuck;282854]M50,232,683 has the factor

3,312,819,927,398,148,201,283,212,927,854,847,645,967

I think that's 3.312 Duodecillion. I put the commas in for davieddy

k = 3[SIZE=2][SUP][SIZE=2]2[/SIZE][/SUP] × 487 × 503 × 691 × 45497 × 248161 × 404507 × 4739381[/SIZE]

Here it is on mersenne-aires:

[URL]http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/exponent.php?exponentdetails=50232683[/URL][/QUOTE]

Nice one! Longer than the longest one listed on that site!

lorgix 2011-12-20 11:23

[QUOTE=KyleAskine;282859]Nice one! Longer than the longest one listed on that site![/QUOTE]

:office:

Dubslow 2011-12-20 22:36

I can get almost [URL="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3.1445*24%2F13&t=crmtb01"]6 GHz-Days per day[/URL] on one core of P-1 on an i7-2600k... that's 23 GHz-Days per day across the CPU... o_O (and it was literally 13 hours to within 60 seconds O_o)

flashjh 2011-12-22 20:36

Self-assignment help
 
[QUOTE=James Heinrich;282407]My process is nothing fancy:[LIST=1][*][URL="http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/p1small.php"]Get assignments[/URL] (from wherever you like)[*][URL="http://mersenne-aries.sili.net/balance.php"]Balance the assignments[/URL] across 4 workers[*]Dump them into Prime95 and let it chat with the server for an hour or so reserving all the assignments[*]After reservation is complete, check for and remove and N/A assignment (probably assigned to someone else)[/LIST]I currently have about 2000 assignments reserved that way.[/QUOTE]

So I followed your instructions and those here: [URL]http://mersennewiki.org/index.php/Self-assign[/URL]

But, it doesn't seem to update the lines at all. If they start out N/A (from GPU to 72) they don't update. I also tried one from the site in your step 1 and that didn't change either.

A few questions:

Do you add the assignments to worktodo.txt or worktodo.add

What would a typical line look like before the communication

For your step 3, do you do anything special to get Prime95 started communicating or do you just wait for it to do it itself?

Should this work with P-1 assignments from GPU to 72?

Thanks for the help.


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