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Okay .. is it |2p-1| + 1?
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it cant be since that gives a probability greater than 1
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I've just looked at it for the case where the probability of heads and tails is equal (ie 1/2). I'm not a math dude so don't expect this to be rigorous.
Obviously you can only complete if you have an even number of tosses. Toss the coin once, assign the value +1 to the side that shows (if heads comes up heads=+1 and tails=-1). Now toss the coin a second time. The total will either be +2 or 0 with a probability of 1/2 that it is +2 and a probability of 1/2 that it is 0. I use P(+x) to represent the probability that we will eventually get to a count of 0 starting with a count of +x. So, after two tosses (1) P = 1/2 + P(+2) To solve for P(+2) we must toss the coin two more times and we will end up with +4 with a probability of (1/4), +2 with a probability of (1/2) and 0 with a probability of (1/4). (2) P(+2) = (1/4)P(+4) + (1/2)P(+2) + (1/4) (3) P(+2) = 1/2 + (1/2)P(+4) Substitution back into the equation (1) (4) P = 3/4 + (1/4)P(+4) Toss the coin two more times and get +6 or +4 or +2 with probabilities 1/4, 1/2, 1/4. (5) P(+4) = 1/4)P(+6) + (1/2)P(+4) + (1/4)P(+2) Solve for P(+4) and we get (6) P(+4) = (1/3) + (2/3)P(+6) Substitute (6) back into (4) and you get (7) P = 5/6 + (1/6)P(+6) Now for a leap, I assert that: (8) P(+n) = 1/((n/2) + 1) + (n/2)/((n/2) + 1)P(+(n+2)) and (9) P = (n-1)/n + (1/n)P(+n) for any even n This obviously converges to 1 for the case of a normal coin toss where the probability of heads and tails is equal |
Other people are providing hints on a combinatorial approach. I'm describing a probabilistic approach using "skip-free" analysis.
[QUOTE][B]Keep score as "net heads", so every head scores +1 and every tail scores -1. Suppose the first toss is a head. What is the probability that your score will ever get down one level from here? Well, you might get down one level immediately by throwing a tail (probability 1-p). But if you throw a head, then you need to "get down one level" twice - once to return to +1 and then again to get to zero. ... [/B][/QUOTE] So if "z" is the probability of ever getting down one level, z must satisfy the equation z = (1-p) + pz^2. |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tom11784 [/i]
[B]it cant be since that gives a probability greater than 1 [/B][/QUOTE] That would be a typo .. forgot a negative sign -|2p-1| + 1 |
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[B]Keep score as "net heads", so every head scores +1 and every tail scores -1. Suppose the first toss is a head. What is the probability that your score will ever get down one level from here? Well, you might get down one level immediately by throwing a tail (probability 1-p). But if you throw a head, then you need to "get down one level" twice - once to return to +1 and then again to get to zero. So if "z" is the probability of ever getting down one level, z must satisfy the equation z = (1-p) + pz^2. [/B][/QUOTE] This equation has roots z=1 and z=(1-p)/p. When p (the probability of going up) is less than 0.5, the probability of ever coming down again is 1. When p is greater than 0.5, the probability of ever coming down again is (1-p)/p. So the answer to the original question is ... |
Let P : [0,1] -> [0,1] be a function such that P(p) is the probability that series of coin flips where the probability of heads is p ever achieves parity.
To summarize: dweick has shown that P(0.5) = 1, and P(0) = P(1) = 0 is obvious from the statement of the problem. We also know that P is symmetric about p = 0.5 because p and (1-p) are interchangeable. We can equate a series of coin flips with a random walk on a line with unit steps, say, with H corresponding to +1 and T corresponding to -1. Now: Let us consider p in the interval (0.5,1). We know that random walk with parameter p will eventually diverge to +inf because the expedted distance travelled, (2p - 1) > 0. Hence, if our first flip is a tail the game will terminate with probability 1. let F |N x (0.5,1) -> [0,1] be a function such that F(n,p) is the probability that given #H - #T = n and probability(H) = p, we will ever reach parity. P(p) = (1 - p) + p*F(1,p) wblipp asserts that F(1,p) = (1-p)/p which implies that P(p) = 2-2p in the interval (0.5,1) or 1 - |2p -1| on the interval [0,1] as asserted by TravisT. However, using dweick's formulation where F(1,p) = (1-p) + p*F(2,p) F(2n,p) = (1-p)^2 *F(2n-2,p) + 2p(1-p)*F(2,p) + p^2*F(2n+2,p) I built a system of equations in Mathematica and solved them to near convergence and P did not appear to be linear over the interval (0.5,1). For example, F(1, 3/4) seemed to converge strongly toward 3/11, implying P(3/4) = 5/11, and not 1/2 as expected by TravisT and wblipp. I performed all of the calculations using extended precision quotients to mitigate rounding errors, and solved through F(120,p). Did I set the problem up incorrectly, or does anyone have thoughts on the discrepancy? |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by apocalypse [/i]
[B] F(1,p) = (1-p) + p*F(2,p) F(2n,p) = (1-p)^2 *F(2n-2,p) + 2p(1-p)*F(2,p) + p^2*F(2n+2,p) I built a system of equations in Mathematica and solved them to near convergence and P did not appear to be linear over the interval (0.5,1). [/B][/QUOTE] When n=1, the right side contains F(0,p). How did you handle that? One method you might have used is to include the equation for n=0. If you did that, the right hand side includes F(-2, p). How did you handle that? |
When n > 0, F(0,p) = 1, because the game always terminates as soon as parity is achieved after the first coin toss (as I understand the initial problem).
I forgot to include that in my write-up because I can't currently access the computer on which I wrote the Mathematica program. Or rather, I fixed it in the write up of the equation for F(1,p), but not for the inductive case for F(2,p) |
I was able to access the mathematica server again, and I found a small typo in my script :blush: . When I fixed it, it converged to the aforementioned piecewise linear function. Perhaps one day I will go back and figure out what problem I was actually solving...
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