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I like that idea (rally within a rally), and was actually thinking of it earlier. I'm not sure why I didn't say it. :smile:

[quote=Mini-Geek;141388]I like that idea (rally within a rally), and was actually thinking of it earlier. I'm not sure why I didn't say it. :smile:[/quote]
I like that idea a lot, too. Anyone else got an opinion on it?

First off, I don't consider myself a heavy hitter per se. Yes I have a few cores, but not like the "big boys." :smile: Of course the price on those quads keeps sinking............. :smile:

But for myself, I have a few things that I'm interested in. And the other thing is that when you get a few cores, then others start bugging you to run "their" pet projects. Like I didn't do the rally this time cause I was getting another range sieved out for the next little "game." I much prefer just working on the things that others don't seem so hot to work on for one reason or another, or the things that need to get taken care of but aren't in the main lights.

To me, a rally is something you do for a short time for a special reason. Start doing them too often, and then they are'nt rallys anymore, it's just the regular thing cause the special-ness is gone. And that is okay if the rallys happen to be encompassing your main thing. But all in all, I'm just not a fan of a week long rally.

Bruce,

Would you help us LLRing the stuff you sieved? (Forget OGR...lol)

Carlos

[QUOTE=em99010pepe;141489]Bruce,

Would you help us LLRing the stuff you sieved? (Forget OGR...lol)

Carlos[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I was getting at in my post Carlos. To you maybe everything is nplb. To some others, everything is OGR or something else. Team Free-DC is everyone being able to pursue what they want to pursue without being pressured to this or that. And the reasons for that have to do with people just ending up leaving projects and teams cause they aren't being allowed to pursue their own interests.

Bruce,

To me everything is to put RPS down...lol..I just can't stand anymore the behave of its leader...

Carlos

[QUOTE=em99010pepe;141492]Bruce,

To me everything is to put RPS down...lol..I just can't stand anymore the behave of its leader...

Carlos[/QUOTE]

That is unfortunate Carlos as there are many fine people over at RPS. I've put in a ton of work over there myself in the earlier days. I still have many friends over there. Any sieving I did here was/is not to be construed as contributing to any effort at putting down anyone over there. Their leader over there has put much time and effort into the project and had to deal with many issues that very few I'm sure fully understand what all was/is involved. Sorta really ticks me off and if that's what's at the bottom of this then I'm sorry I did the sieving.

Bruce

[quote=Brucifer;141494]That is unfortunate Carlos as there are many fine people over at RPS. I've put in a ton of work over there myself in the earlier days. I still have many friends over there. Any sieving I did here was/is not to be construed as contributing to any effort at putting down anyone over there. Their leader over there has put much time and effort into the project and had to deal with many issues that very few I'm sure fully understand what all was/is involved. Sorta really ticks me off and if that's what's at the bottom of this then I'm sorry I did the sieving.

Bruce[/quote]

Bruce,

Please trust me that we didn't do the drive to upset RPS. We were only upset at their reaction to our reservation and I wish they would have worked with us a little. We may have even agreed to share primes or sieving/LLRing with them. As it is now, I've been advised by the super-mods to no longer coordinate with them at all, hence I set up the 'misc. k<300 statuses and primes' thread. It will be up to them to check that thread from time to time.

That said, we will never search anything that is reserved by anyone else IF we can get ahold of the person who has it reserved. That would be unethical. We reserved k's that were unreserved and that had not been searched in a very long time.

As Anon stated, we only reserved the k's because they were the lowest searched and unreserved k's < 300 and soon our k=300-1001 would be at their level (n=600K). We want to keep the lower k's above the higher k's on their search level. One of our project goals is to 'catch up' k's that are behind their neighbors as to how far they've been searched. See post 1 of the 'come join us' thread.

I agree there are many good people at RPS but their leader chose to delete posts instead of respond directly to them. That is what upset us so much. My point is, how would people here feel if I started deleting posts just because they disagree with my thinking. We'd lose a lot of good potential ideas from people who think differently.

I hope this helps...

Gary

We've seen both entire opposite sides of the week-long rally and rally within a rally issue; both pros and cons.

I would like to attract some heavy hitters for a week's time. If someone has 60-100 cores, I can see why moving them all over for a 2-day (or even 3-day) rally is a waste of their time. On the other hand, I agree with Bruce that we don't want to lose the specialness of a rally.

I think most of us have concluded that once/month is not too OFTEN for a rally but would it be if a rally was a week long, even if it is a 2-day rally within a week-long rally? That is the question.

Here is what I would propose to do at this point:
Let's do a 2 day rally within a week-long rally over the week of Sept. 26th-Oct. 3rd. The 2 day rally would be on the weekend of Sept. 26th-28th. Bruce and Mini-Geek, since you aren't fond of longer rallies, if you'd like to participate in it, you could just do the 2-day rally like I'm sure several others will choose to do.

I'm asking for people that aren't fond of long rallies to bear with us on this because if interest wanes greatly 3-4 days into the week-long part of the rally, then we'll only do 2-day rallies in the future.

I realize that this is only 3 weeks after our last rally but we went nearly 2 months this summer and this is an exceptional situation. We've never had a rally less than 4 weeks after a prior rally before.

Carlos, if we're going to do this, the pressure is on you. You/we need to make sure that the week-long rally is worth it and bring the big boys! :smile: I'll assist in any way that I can but don't have the contacts that you do. If we can get some huge resources even for 4-5 days of the rally, then we'll consider making them the norm. But they will be the norm only about once every 4-6 weeks.

I'm hoping that by doing it this way, we can accomplish 3 things:
1. Allow the people with less resources or that have other projects they want to search to just run a 2-day rally for us. We don't want people to feel like we are 'kidnapping' their resources to run our ranges.
2. Attract the heavy-hitters for a long period because a week will be worth it to move all of their machines over.
3. Have the rallies only every 4-6 weeks in the future after the next rally so as to not lose the specialness of them.

Gary

[quote=gd_barnes;141539]I think most of us have concluded that once/month is not too OFTEN for a rally but would it be if a rally was a week long, even if it is a 2-day rally within a week-long rally? That is the question.[/quote]
I think that if we have a rally-within-a-rally (2 days inside a week), 1 month is too short. I'd say 6-8 weeks would be good.