[QUOTE=LaurV;401299]Why do you say 9? The article says 8. Did they removed one? And if so, I am curious which and why? :surprised:
Was it "too strong" for somebody?[/QUOTE]

When I read it, I thought that 7 and 9 were the same, but I can't say for sure if that was what changed.

A very tough read. [URL="https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quartet-of-truth-adult-children-of-gay-parents-testify-against-same-sex-mar"]Adult children of gay parents testify.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zeta-Flux;402509]A very tough read. [URL="https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quartet-of-truth-adult-children-of-gay-parents-testify-against-same-sex-mar"]Adult children of gay parents testify.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Surprise! There are people around who don't share their parents' views. What on Earth shall we do?

I think we would all agree that every child should be brought up in a loving home, having all their needs met.
And any young person growing up should feel free to express their feelings without fear of rejection, whether it is a disagreement with the values of those they live with or a growing awareness of their own identity.

Attempts by government to intervene and say who is fit to bring up children and who isn't can easily cause more harm than good. So the general policy (in western countries) is that governments don't do that.

In my view, it follows that civil marriage is not a stamp of approval by the state for bringing up children, and the two issues should not be confused.

[QUOTE=Nick;402526]I think we would all agree that every child should be brought up in a loving home, having all their needs met.[/QUOTE]

Needs, yes. Wants, maybe.

[QUOTE=Nick;402526]And any young person growing up should feel free to express their feelings without fear of rejection, whether it is a disagreement with the values of those they live with or a growing awareness of their own identity.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree. However, it should be important that honest disagreement is not the same as rejection. This is, after all, where healthy debate comes from.

[QUOTE=Nick;402526]Attempts by government to intervene and say who is fit to bring up children and who isn't can easily cause more harm than good. So the general policy (in western countries) is that governments don't do that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... Right...

[QUOTE=Nick;402526]In my view, it follows that civil marriage is not a stamp of approval by the state for bringing up children, and the two issues should not be confused.[/QUOTE]

Agree.

[QUOTE=chalsall;402571][QUOTE]In my view, it follows that civil marriage is not a stamp of approval by the state for bringing up children, and the two issues should not be confused.[/QUOTE]Agree.[/QUOTE]:confused: You two know that civil marriage *is* a stamp of approval for bringing up children, don't you? Or are you unaware of that aspect of the whole movement?

[QUOTE=Zeta-Flux;402606]:confused: You two know that civil marriage *is* a stamp of approval for bringing up children, don't you?
[/QUOTE]

Since it isn't true, I am sure that they do NOT "know".

Having children is not a requirement of marriage.
Being married is not required to get "approval" for having children.
Single people do get approved for adopting children.

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Or are you unaware of that aspect of the whole movement?[/QUOTE]

Movement? The only movement here is the bowel movement you keep dumping on everyone else
while continuously spewing your religious intolerance.

[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;402615]Movement? The only movement here is the bowel movement you keep dumping on everyone else while continuously spewing your religious intolerance.[/QUOTE]

I suppose we will tolerate this rancor in the soapbox. But it's more accurate to say the Zeta-Flux's views are grounded in a religious viewpoint that is a minority here. Silverman shows less tolerance than Zeta-Flux.

[QUOTE=wblipp;402617]I suppose we will tolerate this rancor in the soapbox. But it's more accurate to say the Zeta-Flux's views are grounded in a religious viewpoint that is a minority here. Silverman shows less tolerance than Zeta-Flux.[/QUOTE]

Opposing intolerance is not intolerance.

[QUOTE=R.D. Silverman;402622]Opposing intolerance is not intolerance.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more.

There may be people reading this thread who are struggling to accept their identity or sexuality. Your contribution will be really valuable if that is so.

[QUOTE=Brian-E;402625]I couldn't agree more.

There may be people reading this thread who are struggling to accept their identity or sexuality. Your contribution will be really valuable if that is so.[/QUOTE]

I strongly believe in equal rights for everyone.

A lot of people prattle and complain that they do not have "religious freedom". This is a lie.
They do have religious freedom. However, the right to believe what you want and worship as you please
does [b]NOT[/b] include the right to discriminate against others, cause harm to others, or to spew hatred
towards those people whose behavior you disapprove of.

Nor does it give you the right to pass laws favoring your particular religious views simply because
you happen to be in the current majority or otherwise have political control.