While I understand, and agree with the admonition, I do not think that it really applies here. This guy chose to be vocally homophobic. He allegedly chose to be a swindler. The two would not have been related if he had not made the connection.

In my opinion we should take our "win" "gracefully" when we have actually won. It is still the case that many people will accept the pastor's ridiculous claim that he was a victim of the "Gay Agenda" in his big money fraud. There will be no progress made unless the thinking is openly challenged.

[QUOTE=kladner;399522]While I understand, and agree with the admonition, I do not think that it really applies here.[/QUOTE]

The point I was trying to make (likely done badly) is gloating or threats are rarely taken well.

Forever continue the "good fight"! :tu:

[QUOTE=Brian-E;399540]In my opinion we should take our "win" "gracefully" when we have actually won.[/QUOTE]

With the deepest of respect, there are battles, and there are wars.

More bigotry and intolerance...<sigh>
 

The picture below had attracted the following bigoted rant (here translated from the Portuguese) on social media.

[QUOTE]I am not prejudiced, I think everyone does what they want in their life. But I find it absurd to witness a scene like this. What you do yourself is your problem, but what you do in public concerns me, yes. And I refuse to see a scene like that and consider it normal.
I do not wish evil on anyone, but humanity should be preserved. Challenging social conventions, like this, can be dangerous. If there is an accident, or worse, if someone dies, who will be blamed? Me?
The worst part of all is the example it sets for the children.
What will go on in the head of a child who sees this scene every day? Kids will think that it is normal to wait for the subway standing top of the yellow strip.
So, do not behave like that guy over there. Follow the example of the girls.
Wait for the subway before the yellow strip, and only approach the track after the subway is stopped and the doors are open.
[/QUOTE][URL="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/10/this-picture-of-two-women-embracing-got-a-lot-of-attention-but-it-may-surprise-you-why/"]Source[/URL]

[QUOTE=Brian-E;399802]The picture below had attracted the following bigoted rant (here translated from the Portuguese) on social media.
[URL="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/10/this-picture-of-two-women-embracing-got-a-lot-of-attention-but-it-may-surprise-you-why/"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]

Don't you get the intended joke/humor? It's a play on focus.

....

My bad - of course you got it. Had to click to understand
how you "missed" it. OK, my friend.

We have a new argument being put before the Supreme Court, in all seriousness, against legalising same sex marriage.

As far as I can understand it:
[LIST][*]Legalising same sex marriage will result in fewer opposite sex marriages.[*]That will result in more unmarried women.[*]Unmarried women have more abortions than married women.[/LIST][B]"Therefore"[/B]
[LIST][*]Legalising same sex marriage will result in more abortions.[/LIST]900 000 more abortions actually.


The argument is detailed here:

[URL]http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/17/forcing-states-to-recognize-gay-marriage-could-increase-number-of-abortions/[/URL]



and debunked here:

[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-new-argument-against-gay-equality-same-sex-marriage-kills/2015/04/20/9fc509d4-e7a3-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Brian-E;400662]We have a new argument being put before the Supreme Court, in all seriousness, against legalising same sex marriage.[/QUOTE]

This isn't a new argument (or, as the Washington Post puts it, a "last-ditch" effort), but it is the [B]same [/B]argument I made at the beginning of this thread, many years ago.

[quote]
and debunked here:
[/quote]

A response to this "debunking" is found here: [URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/417483/advocates-same-sex-marriage-are-wrong-claim-it-poses-no-risk-marriage-ecosystem"]http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/417483/advocates-same-sex-marriage-are-wrong-claim-it-poses-no-risk-marriage-ecosystem[/URL] and another here: [URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/417395/100-scholars-requiring-states-recognize-same-sex-marriage-will-fundamentally"]http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/417395/100-scholars-requiring-states-recognize-same-sex-marriage-will-fundamentally[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zeta-Flux;400994]This isn't a new argument (or, as the Washington Post puts it, a "last-ditch" effort), but it is the [B]same [/B]argument I made at the beginning of this thread, many years ago.[/QUOTE]
I'm disinclined to trawl through all the early posts in this thread, and my memory doesn't serve. Did you actually state back then that you thought opening marriage to same sex couples would cause more unborn children to be aborted, or would be "likely - even very likely" to cause this, to use Gene Schaerr's words in the first of your links? And do you think that now?

[QUOTE=Brian-E;401005]I'm disinclined to trawl through all the early posts in this thread, and my memory doesn't serve. Did you actually state back then that you thought opening marriage to same sex couples would cause more unborn children to be aborted, or would be "likely - even very likely" to cause this, to use Gene Schaerr's words in the first of your links? And do you think that now?[/QUOTE]

My position then and now is, as one of the articles calls it, "the keystone of the scholars’ brief: that same-sex marriage will fundamentally alter the institution of marriage by undermining or destroying several social norms attached to man-woman marriage." I was perhaps most clear about this around 2011, see posts 448, 449, 489, 517, and 529.

If you read post 529 you will see that, back in 2011, I was uncertain how significant those changes would be. With more data now coming out, I'm more convinced that the negatives we will see will be on the same level as those arising from "no-fault" divorce laws.

[url=www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/27/us-usa-court-gaymarriage-justices-idUSKBN0NH0GE20150427]Top U.S. court appears on cusp of declaring right to gay marriage[/url]