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davieddy 2009-01-24 17:19

Muzak
 
It would be nice to have a forum devited to this.

one of my ~twenty top ten records is "Rescue Me" by
Fontella Bass (allthough Roy Buchanan did a supeb compliment
to it instrumentally)

David

ET_ 2009-01-25 12:18

[QUOTE=davieddy;160231]It would be nice to have a forum devited to this.

one of my ~twenty top ten records is "Rescue Me" by
Fontella Bass (allthough Roy Buchanan did a supeb compliment
to it instrumentally)

David[/QUOTE]

We had a thread, started by Mally, about music, both to listen and to play.
Are there any music players?

Luigi

davieddy 2009-01-25 14:20

In the "Mission Accomplished" thread, Ernst invited comments
on the musical interlude before Obama's late and fluffed oath.
I thought I offered pertinent comments on both renditions,
but otherwise it elicited no response.
Did I really start this thread yesterday? Unlike some threads
I have started (notably "pet pronunciation hates") I fear this
one may not fly.

David

davieddy 2009-02-03 17:44

RIP
 
Buddy Holly, Ricky (as distinct from Ritchie) Valens and the big bopper.
(50 years ago from today).

David

davieddy 2009-02-03 18:11

[quote=davieddy;161456]Buddy Holly, Ricky (as distinct from Ritchie) Valens and the big bopper.
(50 years ago from today).

David[/quote]
I might have muddled up the names there.
I get confused between Laura and Donna.

PS I think I know who did Peggy Sue tho:)

davieddy 2009-02-03 19:51

Are you so blind you cannot see
 
(Free Nelson Mandela - Special AKA)
[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487285,00.html[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-04 00:05

One last try:
Any of you Brits listening to the Alfred Brendel show ATM?

PS He's just played what Jack Nicholson did in
"Five Easy Pieces". What was it?

Uncwilly 2009-02-04 00:31

[QUOTE=davieddy;161456]Buddy Holly, Ricky (as distinct from Ritchie) Valens and the big bopper.
(50 years ago from today).[/QUOTE]I passed by a memorial to one of them today. A close relative of mine met and a private mini-concert from one. :whistle:

davieddy 2009-02-04 06:27

Sweet Dreams
 
You don't deserve it but here it is anywat
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNyE1_a6ShE[/URL]

99.94 2009-02-04 09:17

[QUOTE=davieddy;161486]One last try:
Any of you Brits listening to the Alfred Brendel show ATM?

PS He's just played what Jack Nicholson did in
"Five Easy Pieces". What was it?[/QUOTE]
The Alfred Brendel program hasn't arrived yet here in the colonies and I haven't seen it. My reaction, though, is "are you sure?"

Of the five (allegedly) easy pieces, the two played by the Nicholson character are both by Chopin. In the bizarre scene of him playing the upright piano on the back of the lorry travelling along the highway he plays part of the Fantasy in F minor, Op 49. The other piece is the Prelude Op 28|4. As far as I know, Brendel does not include Chopin in his repertoire.

The other three pieces are by Mozart (x2) and Bach. Both are much more likely candidates for Brendel, but were not played by the Nicholson character.

You've mentioned [I]Five Easy Pieces[/I] before and on the strength of it I hired the DVD and had a look. It was a bit raw with a very youthful Nicholson, but I got more from it that I had expected.

davieddy 2009-02-05 04:11

[quote=99.94;161508]The Alfred Brendel program hasn't arrived yet here in the colonies and I haven't seen it. My reaction, though, is "are you sure?"

Of the five (allegedly) easy pieces, the two played by the Nicholson character are both by Chopin. In the bizarre scene of him playing the upright piano on the back of the lorry travelling along the highway he plays part of the Fantasy in F minor, Op 49. The other piece is the Prelude Op 28|4. As far as I know, Brendel does not include Chopin in his repertoire.

The other three pieces are by Mozart (x2) and Bach. Both are much more likely candidates for Brendel, but were not played by the Nicholson character.

You've mentioned [I]Five Easy Pieces[/I] before and on the strength of it I hired the DVD and had a look. It was a bit raw with a very youthful Nicholson, but I got more from it that I had expected.[/quote]

Many thaks for this informative reply.
Of course I'm sure: the piece (presumably the Chopin prelude)
is as familiar as it is memorable. Brendel was was not playing it in
a concert. I saw him in 1970 playing Schubert's 4 impromptus.

I'm so glad someone thought it worthwhile to check out
"Five Easy Pieces". If by "raw" you mean the way one scene
jumps to another, I can only say that is one of the many things
I love about it.

David

davieddy 2009-02-05 04:34

[quote=davieddy;161456]Buddy Holly, Ricky (as distinct from Ritchie) Valens and the big bopper.
(50 years ago from today).

David[/quote]
Sorry it should read Ritchie (as distinct from Ricky)

Orgasmic Troll 2009-02-05 05:09

[QUOTE=davieddy;161456]Buddy Holly, Ricky (as distinct from Ritchie) Valens and the big bopper.
(50 years ago from today).

David[/QUOTE]

and 21 years later, I was born.

And a little over 28 years after that, [URL="http://cdbaby.com/cd/mudge"]I released an album[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-05 05:33

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tNSp7MaADM[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-05 06:02

[quote=Orgasmic Troll;161612]and 21 years later, I was born.
[/quote]
Then I expect there wasn't enough swearing in it for your taste.

davieddy 2009-02-05 07:29

Rehearsal
 
[URL]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1o4xh_chuck-berry-carol_music[/URL]

I assume the other protagonist is Keith Richards

Orgasmic Troll 2009-02-06 07:02

[QUOTE=davieddy;161619]Then I expect there wasn't enough swearing in it for your taste.[/QUOTE]

it? my birth? the death of Buddy Holly? And wth does this have to do with swearing?

You have to make sense before you can make a joke.

davieddy 2009-02-06 18:29

[quote=Orgasmic Troll;161795]it? my birth? the death of Buddy Holly? And wth does this have to do with swearing?

You have to make sense before you can make a joke.[/quote]
Sorry, I was referring to swearing in films.
In "Five Easy Pieces" there is one memorable
10s scene (when Jack Nicholson realizes he has to take his wife
with him on the trip) where he cusses like nobody's business.
This is all the more effective because there is no swearing in
the rest of the film.

If your youth renders you incapable of reacting to
Brendel, Holly or 1970s films, you are not obliged to contribute:smile:

David

davieddy 2009-02-06 19:41

[quote=99.94;161508]... with a very youthful Nicholson[/quote]

He was born in 1937. He wasn't exactly youthful in Easy Rider either:smile:

Orgasmic Troll 2009-02-06 20:36

[QUOTE=davieddy;161869]Sorry, I was referring to swearing in films.
In "Five Easy Pieces" there is one memorable
10s scene (when Jack Nicholson realizes he has to take his wife
with him on the trip) where he cusses like nobody's business.
This is all the more effective because there is no swearing in
the rest of the film.

If your youth renders you incapable of reacting to
Brendel, Holly or 1970s films, you are not obliged to contribute:smile:

David[/QUOTE]

???

You still aren't making any sense. Why are you referring to films? And what does any of this have to do with me?

davieddy 2009-02-06 21:27

[quote=Orgasmic Troll;161894]???

You still aren't making any sense. Why are you referring to films? And what does any of this have to do with me?[/quote]
Five Easy Pieces of music.
As I said (I thought diplomatically) it has got
"xxxx All" to do with you.

Orgasmic Troll 2009-02-07 01:15

[QUOTE=davieddy;161902]Five Easy Pieces of music.
As I said (I thought diplomatically) it has got
"xxxx All" to do with you.[/QUOTE]

Then don't direct your blathering at me. I posted about music, and I never engaged you in your stream of consciousness, so please, direct that stream to your own toilet where it belongs.

davieddy 2009-02-07 02:53

[quote=Orgasmic Troll;161931]Then don't direct your blathering at me. I posted about music, and I never engaged you in your stream of consciousness, so please, direct that stream to your own toilet where it belongs.[/quote]
Stream of consciiousness was an expression I nearly used in my
previous apology.

davieddy 2009-02-18 13:00

In case you've forgot why you like the Beatles:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poNwsPghnhU&feature=related[/URL]

For balance heres one for Stones fans
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAy7WVlsCWU&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-18 14:06

Your first link goes someway to explaining
why the artiste was so talented. Here is an unadulterated version:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKl4ufehjpA&NR=1[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-20 12:41

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWjGtEmQ5Co&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-20 12:49

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqxq6xqoXI[/URL]

retina 2009-02-20 12:56

Somewhat music related: [url=http://xkcd.com/546/](XKCD) But I don't actually [i]like[/i] music. I just like being self-righteous on the web[/url].

davieddy 2009-02-20 14:23

[quote=retina;163363]Somewhat music related: [URL="http://xkcd.com/546/"](XKCD) But I don't actually [I]like[/I] music. I just like being self-righteous on the web[/URL].[/quote]
While I sort out whether that is supposed to apply to me:
get a lod of this:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCZ_bv9aLc[/URL]

retina 2009-02-20 14:53

[QUOTE=davieddy;163371]While I sort out whether that is supposed to apply to me ...[/QUOTE]Heh, don't take it personally. I just thought it was funny. And since you were complaining about no one posting here I wanted to add something (loosely) related to music just to make you feel less lonely :wink:

davieddy 2009-02-20 15:42

[quote=retina;163375]Heh, don't take it personally. I just thought it was funny. And since you were complaining about no one posting here I wanted to add something (loosely) related to music just to make you feel less lonely :wink:[/quote]
Thanks. I've always thought of you as a friend (admittedly contentious)
Meanwhile cop a load of this:


[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK70vImXkgY&feature=related[/URL]

retina 2009-02-20 15:50

BTW: Just so you know, all these youtube links here are completely useless to me. No flash ya see. No JS ya see. If anyone can find a better link to some proper music (i.e. MP3, FLAC, etc. encoding) then feel free to post that instead.

davieddy 2009-02-20 16:02

[quote=retina;163383]BTW: Just so you know, all these youtube links here are completely useless to me. No flash ya see. No JS ya see. If anyone can find a better link to some proper music (i.e. MP3, FLAC, etc. encoding) then feel free to post that instead.[/quote]
Now we are talking computers
I didn't used have "flash" but now I do
Is'nt that just Dandy?

Don't asked how I managed it.

davieddy 2009-02-20 19:02

[U][COLOR=#22229c][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hmPtbuixAk&feature=related[/URL][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hmPtbuixAk&feature=related[/URL][/COLOR][/U][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oiaypKjx1whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyDwIYXOE7g&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oiaypKjx1w[U][COLOR=#22229c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyDwIYXOE7g&feature=related[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0sk2jNbxlQ[/URL]

Uncwilly 2009-02-20 23:07

[QUOTE=davieddy;163410]httq://www.youtubecom/watch?v=-hmPt...eature=related
httq://www.youtubecom/watch?v=-hmPt...eature=related
httq://www.youtubecom/watch?v=4oiaypKjx1w
httq://www.youtubecom/watch?v=fyDwIYXOE7g&feature=related
httq://www.youtubecom/watch?v=F0sk2jNbxlQ[/QUOTE]
Looks like a post for the landfill. OT should do some clean up.

davieddy 2009-02-20 23:35

[quote=Uncwilly;163434]Looks like a post for the landfill. OT should do some clean up.[/quote]
Try this you effing Philistines
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj2urC5AACo[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-21 01:27

Sorry folks (ovligatory)
 
`[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGdvKeAcp_c&feature=PlayList&p=DD0B777A569D72C0&playnext=1&index=37[/URL]

or better
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mn71fQpXNY[/URL]

for good measure ( incase anyone out there appreciates such subltties)
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3gWi9bBkHQ&feature=related[/URL]

mart_r 2009-02-21 16:40

Is this thread for posting links to songs that I like? e.g.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ[/url]

Or also for sharing other "interesting" songs I stumbled upon? e.g.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PGK7a2IFo[/url]

10metreh 2009-02-22 08:17

[quote=Uncwilly;163434]Looks like a post for the landfill. OT should do some clean up.[/quote]

The landfill doesn't exist anymore. It's been incinerated instead.

davieddy 2009-02-23 03:58

[quote=mart_r;163518]Is this thread for posting links to songs that I like? e.g.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ[/URL]

Or also for sharing other "interesting" songs I stumbled upon? e.g.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PGK7a2IFo[/URL][/quote]

Yes to both:smile:

davieddy 2009-02-23 12:56

[quote=99.94;161508]The Alfred Brendel program hasn't arrived yet here in the colonies and I haven't seen it. My reaction, though, is "are you sure?"

Of the five (allegedly) easy pieces, the two played by the Nicholson character are both by Chopin. In the bizarre scene of him playing the upright piano on the back of the lorry travelling along the highway he plays part of the Fantasy in F minor, Op 49. The other piece is the Prelude Op 28|4. As far as I know, Brendel does not include Chopin in his repertoire.

The other three pieces are by Mozart (x2) and Bach. Both are much more likely candidates for Brendel, but were not played by the Nicholson character.

You've mentioned [I]Five Easy Pieces[/I] before and on the strength of it I hired the DVD and had a look. It was a bit raw with a very youthful Nicholson, but I got more from it that I had expected.[/quote]
Links that speak for themselves (a la "Uninteresting Stuff" thread)
are welcome, as are articulate responses like the above.

I have revisited my kinks (I meant links), and you probably guessed I
am approaching my 60s (my era:smile:)

David

davieddy 2009-02-23 13:07

[quote=davieddy;163664]Links that speak for themselves (a la "Uninteresting Stuff" thread)
are welcome, as are articulate responses like the above.
David[/quote]

That said, the best thing to do with music is to listen
to it rather than talk about it.

PS Or play it of course

davieddy 2009-02-23 13:33

[quote=davieddy;163666]
PS Or play it of course[/quote]

Joke:
(Sometimes mis-directed at Einstein, although I've heard his
violin playing wasn't up to much)

"Can you play the (name an instrument)?"
"I don't know - I haven't tried"

davieddy 2009-02-23 13:46

[quote=davieddy;163664]Links that speak for themselves (a la "Uninteresting Stuff" thread)
are welcome, as are articulate responses like the above.


David[/quote]

I meant "Uninteshting Shtuff"
Apologies for being too sober ATM

Burp

Orgasmic Troll 2009-02-23 15:24

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;163434]Looks like a post for the landfill. OT should do some clean up.[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, I'm not a supermod. I can only move things OUT of Misc. Math, not into them.

davieddy 2009-02-23 15:54

[quote=Orgasmic Troll;163685]Just to clarify, I'm not a supermod. I can only move things OUT of Misc. Math, not into them.[/quote]
Glad to hear you consider it "Math" related, even if I don't know why.
Some of these links seem to transmogrify (?) rapidly, but having
just trawled through my recent offerings, I'm not sure I posted this
(possibly because ridicule would be too painful)

It was "Box of Rain" by the Grateful Dead.
Can't even dig it up again now (geddit?)

I thought "Sin City" was about corporate mismanagement but
then again I may have been wrong.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUFHEyu5hM&feature=related[/URL]

Catch it while it's warm.
As the necrophiliac said to the bishop.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mhnflEQKhg&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-23 17:12

1966
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cfTMdjkYM&feature=related[/URL]

For those who want some justification to click the link,
I was marginally too young to appreciate Grace Slick in
full at the time, although I loved both these singles.
What a voice.

David

PS Hope some of you can view it.

davieddy 2009-02-23 18:40

[quote=davieddy;163694]I was marginally too young to appreciate Grace Slick in full at the time[/quote]

Just googled her for good measure.
Glad to find she's not deceased.
Viz a viz my "marginally too young" remark, she was
born in 1939, so no spring chicken even back in 1966:smile:

David

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qtgn57OCvY[/URL]

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWg3b15ITS8&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-02-23 19:48

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVnU_WaTvdc&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-01 15:06

!!!!
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOW8lFaBK4U[/URL]

Ernst has asked me for some background information on my
"misiical" posts.
OK. When played the above classic ten times in
succession after returning from the pub, one of our
co-residents comes down in the nude and pulls out some lead
or other. (Circa 1972).

dAVID

Uncwilly 2009-03-01 15:18

[QUOTE=davieddy;164307][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOW8lFaBK4U[/URL]

Ernst has asked me for some background information on my
"misiical" posts.[/QUOTE]Tell us about the "music" that you are posting about. We don't care about your personal anecdotes. Who is the performer? what is the song name? what makes it so good? etc. That is what we want to know.

Personal ancedotes are only useful if they illustrate how good or powerful a song is. I have some for some songs, and would share them when appropriate. But, to relay the kind that you did, does not bring anything helpful to the (one side) conversation.

davieddy 2009-03-01 16:01

[quote=Uncwilly;164308]Tell us about the "music" that you are posting about. We don't care about your personal anecdotes. Who is the performer? what is the song name? what makes it so good? etc. That is what we want to know.

Personal ancedotes are only useful if they illustrate how good or powerful a song is. I have some for some songs, and would share them when appropriate. But, to relay the kind that you did, does not bring anything helpful to the (one side) conversation.[/quote]
I just made a serious attempt at that.

David

davieddy 2009-03-01 22:05

[quote=99.94;161508]The Alfred Brendel program hasn't arrived yet here in the colonies and I haven't seen it. My reaction, though, is "are you sure?"

Of the five (allegedly) easy pieces, the two played by the Nicholson character are both by Chopin. In the bizarre scene of him playing the upright piano on the back of the lorry travelling along the highway he plays part of the Fantasy in F minor, Op 49. The other piece is the Prelude Op 28|4. As far as I know, Brendel does not include Chopin in his repertoire.

The other three pieces are by Mozart (x2) and Bach. Both are much more likely candidates for Brendel, but were not played by the Nicholson character.

You've mentioned [I]Five Easy Pieces[/I] before and on the strength of it I hired the DVD and had a look. It was a bit raw with a very youthful Nicholson, but I got more from it that I had expected.[/quote]

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8&feature=PlayList&p=6EA59EBD46E75138&index=0&playnext=1[/URL]

To find the musical connection you'll have to watch the movie.

David

davieddy 2009-03-01 22:59

For something more substantial and "classical"
here is an offering from Henryk Sczeryng
(Or some similarly high scoring scrabble word).
My late patents dismissed him as a sort of showman.
What do tou think?
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlIEbBcXT_U&feature=related[/URL]

99.94 2009-03-02 09:23

[QUOTE=davieddy;164337]For something more substantial and "classical"
here is an offering from Henryk Sczeryng
(Or some similarly high scoring scrabble word).
My late patents dismissed him as a sort of showman.
What do tou think?
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlIEbBcXT_U&feature=related[/URL][/QUOTE]
A sort of showman. Well, I've heard that sort of response to Von Karajan, Malcolm Sergeant or even Leopold Stokowski on occasion. Even then it is at best a half truth; but never of Henryk Szeryng. Szeryng was very much a musician's musician, a great humanitarian of the highest integrity both musically and in his personal life.

The youtube performance you've selected is a beauty; I think the conductor is Ernest Ansermet and it was made (at a guess) in Geneva late 1950s or the early part of the 1960s.

An anecdote about the Brahms concerto, followed by an unashamed rave.

During the first half of the 1980s (I don’t remember when now) when I was living in Hobart I had the privilege to be present at a numinous performance of the Brahms Violin Concerto given by Henryk Szeryng. The atmosphere was electric; it was as if no-one dared to breathe. At the end there was uproar. The audience clapped and cheered and it seemed the poor man would never be allowed to leave. Finally, as an encore he gave us the Preludio from the E major Partita, part of JS Bach’s Sonatas and Partitas for solo violin. It was unforgettable. The experience of that night was one of the great memories of my concert going life.

In the 25 years since I have returned to the Bach Sonatas & Partitas constantly. I have them in a two CD set in Szeryng’s performance on Deutsche Grammophon. The great Ciaccona that concludes the D minor Partita is one of the half dozen or so musical works that define our civilisation. They are an inexhaustible well from which to draw in equal measure beauty, wisdom and a profundity that goes beyond words. Even after all this time I regard them with the same sense of awe I take from (say) [I]King Lear[/I] or a work by Rembrandt. The catalogue number is 453 004-2.

davieddy 2009-03-02 18:06

THX great response.
Reply in more detail later. Meanwhile....
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCeYKfAOZI&feature=related[/URL]

Sorry. Just watched it and there is a severe case of Coitus Interruptus.

davieddy 2009-03-03 12:39

Last time I attended concerts was Hammersmith Odeon
1987.
Ry Cooder was one, and Steve Miller the other.

More anon.

David

davieddy 2009-03-03 13:44

Showmanship
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaq9kTlcaY&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-03 18:34

[quote=davieddy;164495][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaq9kTlcaY&feature=related[/URL][/quote]
There is some sort of cinematic connection here.
Maybe why the sound quality is so good.
Can anyone help?

David

davieddy 2009-03-03 21:12

Good stuff
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_lYPhiNb-Y&feature=related[/URL]

Flatlander 2009-03-03 23:57

One of my favourite movie scenes.
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-QrSc_Jw3g[/URL]

(Though I almost start coughing when I watch it.)

davieddy 2009-03-04 01:01

[quote=Flatlander;164525][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-QrSc_Jw3g[/URL]

(Though I almost start coughing when I watch it.)[/quote]
You should take up smoking.
I used to play that on the fiddle.

Vintage Chuck Berry:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsp4VCbVvn4&feature=related[/URL]

99.94 2009-03-04 02:56

[QUOTE=davieddy;164507]There is some sort of cinematic connection here.
Maybe why the sound quality is so good.
Can anyone help?

David[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does indeed have a cinematic origin.

In the pre-television age classical musicians had a much wider audience than now. Some had distinctly large personalities that made them quite marketable as film stars. Think of Leopold Stokowski's connection with Disney ([I]Fantasia[/I]). I believe I am right in saying that Claudio Arrau played the part of Robert Schumann in a film.

Jascha Heifetz was one such, though it did no harm to be good mates with Samuel Goldwyn.

Heifetz made two films:- [I]They Shall Have Music[/I] (1939) and [I]Carnegie Hall[/I] (1947). I have seen the latter, though a very long time ago. No story to speak of, but some of the really heavyweight musicians of the time appeared in it.

The performance by Heifetz you ask about comes from [I]Carnegie Hall[/I]. The performance was abbreviated for editorial reasons. The conductor is Fritz Reiner.

cheesehead 2009-03-04 03:03

[quote=99.94;164542]Think of Leopold Stokowski's connection with Disney ([I]Fantasia[/I]).[/quote]First theater movie I ever saw, at some early age. I became a Stravinsky fan.

99.94 2009-03-05 11:11

Showmanship
 
[QUOTE=davieddy;164495][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaq9kTlcaY&feature=related[/URL][/QUOTE]
Showmanship and art. Art is a protean thing. But its a subjective thing too. In the sense in which I understand you use the expression “showmanship”, you go to the proper role of the interpreter of a work of art and specifically music.

As a general proposition, the reason Mozart and Bach persist, and the latest pop song probably will not, is that the former have something lasting to say in the same way any great artist has something to say. Frank Lloyd Wright, Wordsworth, Rembrandt, Goethe, Chekov - each in his own way tells us uniquely something about ourselves. King Lear alone on the heath in the storm, or the leaving of an earthly life and a vision of heaven in the first movement of Schubert’s piano sonata D960, vouchsafe an insight into the human condition that the rest of us could not imagine.

Art can also be found in other forms of creativity such as history. I am thinking here of Edward Gibbon or the Australian historian Manning Clark. Both have much to tell us not only of our place in the world, but what it is to be human.

Often enough art speaks for itself. We have no particular need of an intermediary for Christopher Wren or Picasso to communicate with us. On the other hand, the performing arts do require - or at least are assisted by - a performer to interpret and project what the artist has to say. The value of, and our esteem for, the insights of the perceptive performer are summed up by Edward Gibbon in his observations about his older contemporary David Garrick (1717 - 1779). Referring to London 1758 - 1760 Gibbon wrote: “I assiduously frequented the theatres at a very prosperous era of the stage, when a constellation of excellent actors, both in tragedy and comedy, was eclipsed by the meridian brightness of Garrick in the maturity of his judgement and the vigour of his performance.” - [I]Memoirs of My Life [/I](1796).

In that process of interpretation and projection the personality of the artist necessarily has a place. It is unavoidable, but so long as it remains at the service of the music, or the words, or whatever the medium might be, there is no harm in that. Indeed, without at least an outline of the personality of the interpreter there is a danger the performance will be marmoreal, anonymous or uninvolving.

I think that what you are saying here about showmanship is that Heifetz comes between Tchaikovski and the listener. Whether that is so is a matter of taste. On one hand there is a self conscious and self regarding insinuation of a dimension to the music that the composer did not intend. On the other, an artist celebrating the magnificence of his God given technique, though always at the service of the music. Orson Welles or Olivier? Schnabel or Glenn Gould? Jussi Bjorling or Pavarotti? Subject always to the maturity of judgement to which Gibbon refers, great music can withstand and indeed thrive in a wide range of interpretive environments. I don’t have a difficulty with Jascha Heifetz’s approach to this music, but I can understand that others might.

davieddy 2009-03-05 12:45

[quote=davieddy;164420]THX great response.
Reply in more detail later. Meanwhile....
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCeYKfAOZI&feature=related[/URL]

Sorry. Just watched it and there is a severe case of Coitus Interruptus.[/quote]
Found part two:smile:

Not sure whether this recording explains it best,
but if I were forced to name my favourite violinist,
(which I haven't been) this might be it.

David

davieddy 2009-03-05 13:24

JSB and logevity
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8gc7WFiCc&feature=related[/URL]
Apparently if it wasn't for Mendelsohn, he would lay forgotten.

My father was born in 1903. His first (beloved) wife died in 1945.
He met my mother playing in a local orchestra in about 1948.

He commuted 150 miles to have lessons on playing Bach
from James Tring.

With my brother, we traditionally played the Bach Double
each time I returned from boarding school.

More anon.

David

PS you might diagnose some reason why I connected
so strongly with Jack Nicolson in Five Easy Pieces:)

davieddy 2009-03-05 14:25

Pate du fois gras to the sound of trumpets
 
Sidney Smith
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvKhMWPyxOo&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-05 20:41

Auspicious beginnings(qoute from five easy piece?)
 
Suspect that the Bach I just posted might have been edited as well.
Still, the way Tchaichovsky goes from normality to despair
as his intrroduction takes some beating.
Although IMO you can't beat the intro to the Beethoven.
(A Henryk Szering recording was my baptism).

David

davieddy 2009-03-05 22:04

Trried to edit but too late.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCsXEaeviZ8&feature=related[/URL]
If you would like to know how tedious "In Terra Pax" can get.

davieddy 2009-03-05 22:32

Beethoven Op 130 "cavatina"
 
Don't know who is playing this, but I first heard
it in Oxford Town Hall by the Amadeus Quartet.
I feel no shame in saying this movement moved me to tears.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1TYw_EAXvg&feature=related[/URL]

99.94 2009-03-06 00:27

[QUOTE=davieddy;164698]Don't know who is playing this, but I first heard
it in Oxford Town Hall by the Amadeus Quartet.
I feel no shame in saying this movement moved me to tears.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1TYw_EAXvg&feature=related[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's interesting. The first chamber music concert I went to was in Hobart just after we were married & was given by the Amadeus Quartet. I can remember it vividly. Works by Haydn, Britten and Beethoven were on the program. A while ago now :-(.

I can tell you exactly the group playing here. It is unmistakably the Quatuor Végh led by the great Sandor Végh. I have checked it against my CD. If you want to try to track it down, it is volume 7 of their cycle of the complete Beethoven quartets on Valois Auvidis V 4407. Should be mid-price or cheaper.

davieddy 2009-03-06 01:08

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmfRYn4LIf8&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-06 01:26

[quote=99.94;164709]That's interesting. The first chamber music concert I went to was in Hobart just after we were married & was given by the Amadeus Quartet. I can remember it vividly. Works by Haydn, Britten and Beethoven were on the program. A while ago now :-(.

I can tell you exactly the group playing here. It is unmistakably the Quatuor Végh led by the great Sandor Végh. I have checked it against my CD. If you want to try to track it down, it is volume 7 of their cycle of the complete Beethoven quartets on Valois Auvidis V 4407. Should be mid-price or cheaper.[/quote]
THX again for the response.
My mother was at thr RCM with the the Amadeus.
Reputation has it that she once sat in for the cellist.
Wartime. Wouldn't like to say anything futher.

David

BTW they (the Amadeus) notably retired on the death of Peter Shidlov.

davieddy 2009-03-06 06:53

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajC4Az4wscc&feature=related[/URL]

akruppa 2009-03-12 16:08

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tprMEs-zfQA[/url]

bsquared 2009-03-12 16:59

[quote=akruppa;165185][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tprMEs-zfQA[/URL][/quote]

That was awesome! Thanks for posting!

davieddy 2009-03-12 19:36

[quote=bsquared;165189]That was awesome! Thanks for posting![/quote]
Glad to hear two respected mathematicians entering into the
spirit of this thread.
As others have said re some of my links, perhaps you could
put your enthusiasm into words.
Call me an old fogie, but I associate "funk" with Sly and the family Stone,
or perhaps the album I used to own "Rejuvenation" by the Meters.
Google:smile:

David

PS I would also describe Stevie Wonder's "Boogie on Reggae Woman"
as funky. And Miles Davis circa 1970.

davieddy 2009-03-12 22:25

Brit Pop
 
This is my favourite from the Genre.
On relistening, it owes more to the Byrds than the Beatles.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CADSbm1h58&playnext_from=PL&feature=PlayList&p=5F8A3B685A1969B7&index=5[/URL]

David

PS
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUpoFBm_QSw&NR=1[/url]

davieddy 2009-03-12 23:13

My idea of rap "music"
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5QMT-JUt4&feature=related[/URL]

IF Dr Silverrman ever runs out of put down lines, this might
come in handy:smile:

davieddy 2009-03-13 02:59

Call me impatient but.....
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI-YiaWDgB4&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-13 08:28

[quote=davieddy;165235][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI-YiaWDgB4&feature=related[/URL][/quote]
It's better in mono:smile:

PS: Careful with that axe Eugene.

davieddy 2009-03-15 05:41

[quote=cheesehead;164545]First theater movie I ever saw, at some early age. I became a Stravinsky fan.[/quote]
circa 1972 I played in an Oxbridge orcrchestra concert.
We played two classics, both of which were less than successful
on their debuts. One was "The Rite Of Spring" (A real bugger to play
with its tempo changes) and Brahms 1st Piano Concerto.
Of the latter, Clara schumann remarked words to the effect of
"I was expecting it to be good but not as goood as that".

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TC2Wkv8IS8&NR=1[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-15 09:10

Beatles
 
As Philip Larkin memorably said (approximately):
"Sexual intercourse for me began in 1963
somewhere between the Lady Chatterly trial
and the Beatles' first LP"

Excluding just about any track on that album, my
favourite Beatles number is this:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLjIyaOZgQA[/URL]

Antone want to argue?

David

bsquared 2009-03-16 03:10

[quote=davieddy;165204]Glad to hear two respected mathematicians entering into the
spirit of this thread.
As others have said re some of my links, perhaps you could
put your enthusiasm into words.
[/quote]

Well, I'm no mathematician, meerly a meddlesome miscreant (ok, I'm a physicist doing EE, but miscreant just fit better there... and isn't far off anyway).

I'm also not very knowledgable about music, in general, but I know what I like when I see/hear it, and that link sure qualified.

Just to throw in my $0.02, here is what I can't get out of my head for the time being:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVnRzEjpUmE[/URL]

Not sure what they were smokin' when they made that video, but it must have been good.

davieddy 2009-03-16 13:18

[quote=bsquared;165517]Well, I'm no mathematician, meerly a meddlesome miscreant (ok, I'm a physicist doing EE, but miscreant just fit better there... and isn't far off anyway).

I'm also not very knowledgable about music, in general, but I know what I like when I see/hear it, and that link sure qualified.

Just to throw in my $0.02, here is what I can't get out of my head for the time being:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVnRzEjpUmE[/URL]

Not sure what they were smokin' when they made that video, but it must have been good.[/quote]
"Please allow me to introduce myself......"

Unfortunately the U-Tube clip is unavailable in this
wonderful country of ours.
We had been forewarned on the news.

Meantime, there's a little story attached to this clip:

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sPPcq97EQI&feature=related[/URL]

Don't get me started on substance abuse:smile:

David

davieddy 2009-03-17 13:29

[quote=davieddy;165566]
Meantime, there's a little story attached to this clip:

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sPPcq97EQI&feature=related[/URL]

David[/quote]

No one has bitten, so here it is:

Stevie Ray Vaughan completely passed under my radar. But....

The other night, I recalled a band I saw at the Marquee Club
in London circa 1980. A refreshing change after 3 years of punk.
The guitarist had his leg in a cast and was
named Vaughan. I couldn't remember their name of the band, or even
a song. In desperation I googled Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Turned out that he had played with "The Fabulous Thunderbirds"
and had an elder brother named Jimmie.

David

PS
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkd2ATSfexc&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-17 18:13

Here's an all time classic.

Anyone agree that Obama owes some of his Charisma here?

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGP6vFMdE8&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-20 20:30

Mozart
 
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv76CBlq97Y&feature=related[/URL]

Stumbled on this.
Perhaps 99.94 can enlightnen us.

David

ps Found a sexier version:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2EhW-k3yPs&feature=related[/URL]

davieddy 2009-03-20 22:28

Mozart
 
I wouldn't like to describe either of my late parents as
"pushy", but my father once asked me why I couldn't play
the violin like Norbert Brainin.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l06wDJIjQ2M&feature=related[/URL]

David

davieddy 2009-03-21 00:58

[quote=davieddy;166148]I wouldn't like to describe either of my late parents as
"pushy", but my father once asked me why I couldn't play
the violin like Norbert Brainin.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l06wDJIjQ2M&feature=related[/URL]

David[/quote]
The smart ass answer would be "I don't know I've never tried"
meanwhile:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG7_zq1oHbw&feature=related[/URL]

And for good measure:

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPWXZnYbunw&feature=related[/URL]

99.94 2009-03-21 09:36

[QUOTE=davieddy;166148]I wouldn't like to describe either of my late parents as
"pushy", but my father once asked me why I couldn't play
the violin like Norbert Brainin.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l06wDJIjQ2M&feature=related[/URL]

David[/QUOTE]
Norbert Brainin had a fairly prominent, sweet, vibrato that was better suited to some composers' music than to others. For example, it made Brahms sound merely suave. It didn't seem to do any harm to Mozart or Dvorak and the Amadeus recordings of Schubert made in the 1950s & 1960s in particular are peerless in their ability to capture the Viennese "feel" of the music. Try the first movement of their recording of the Schubert quartet [I]Death and the Maiden[/I] D. 810 for a mixture of defiance and desperation I have never heard equalled by any other.

You can hear what I mean about the vibrato about one minute into the very fine performance you have linked.

99.94 2009-03-21 09:48

[QUOTE=davieddy;166142][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv76CBlq97Y&feature=related[/URL]

Stumbled on this.
Perhaps 99.94 can enlightnen us.

David
<Snip>[/QUOTE]
This is Mozart in the black emotional desolation of one of his fairly rare G minor works.

Yes, I can enlighten you. There is a note in the link that the performance is by the Talich Quartet. I have checked it against my disc. It has been edited but it is indeed by them. The viola player is Karel Rehak and it is part of a three disc set containing the 6 string quartets and the clarinet quintet. You won't find finer performances of any of the works anywhere. It is on Calliope CAL 3231.3.

You have very good taste. :smile:

davieddy 2009-03-22 20:25

[quote=99.94;166171]This is Mozart in the black emotional desolation of one of his fairly rare G minor works.

Yes, I can enlighten you. There is a note in the link that the performance is by the Talich Quartet. I have checked it against my disc. It has been edited but it is indeed by them. The viola player is Karel Rehak and it is part of a three disc set containing the 6 string quartets and the clarinet quintet. You won't find finer performances of any of the works anywhere. It is on Calliope CAL 3231.3.

You have very good taste. :smile:[/quote]

I should read the blurb on Utube more carefully!

Talking of desecrating his rare G minor works, there was a "disco"
version of his 40th symphony a few years back, which was a huge
hit over here (if not internationally) which offended many purists.

As well you know, Mozart composed more than 6 quartets.
The six you refer to are presumably the "Haydn" ones.

His joyous key was A major. My (very) late youngest brother
(died aged just 19 in 1972) was a gifted clarinetist. He had a
separate instrument to play in A major as distinct from B flat.
(Quintet and concerto)
Among the piano concertos, 23 in A is as uplifting as they come.

THX for your remark about my musical taste. As you will have
gathered, I have a musical background. One of the (many) reasons
I like "Five Easy Pieces" so much is that I can empathize (if not identify)
with the Jack Nicholson character. The opening titles play to the
strains of "Stand By Your Man". If I remember correctly, in the opening
scene, he returns home where Karen Black is playing this. Dragging the
needle across the record, he declares "If you play this one more time
I'm going to melt it down into hairspray".

David

99.94 2009-03-23 19:07

Oops! I think I had a brain fade. The work you found is the string quintet K 516. So far, so good. The reference to the recording of the six string quartets was a slip. I meant to say the six string [B]quintets[/B]. The reference to Karel Rehak as the viola player should have described him as the second viola player. Entschuldigung! ;)

davieddy 2009-03-24 01:23

[quote=99.94;166407]Oops! I think I had a brain fade. The work you found is the string quintet K 516. So far, so good. The reference to the recording of the six string quartets was a slip. I meant to say the six string [B]quintets[/B]. The reference to Karel Rehak as the viola player should have described him as the second viola player. Entschuldigung! ;)[/quote]

The fact that you mentioned the extra viola player should have
directed me straight to the string quintets. AFAIK the guest
invariably plays the second part in these circumstances, no matter
how celebrated.

davieddy 2009-03-26 08:36

I may run out of favourite bits of Mozart sometime but in the meantime:

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aEZuZ8szec[/URL]


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