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cheesehead 2014-06-28 20:39

White 34
 
I rediscovered the resource for Black that I couldn't recall before.

[QUOTE=cheesehead;376803][QUOTE=cheesehead;376494]I just found that in my favorite [B]33 Nxc8 Kxe6 34 Bh3+[/B] line, Black does have at least one defensive sequence that avoids losing his a5-pawn, so I retract my claim that we have a forced win of material there.[/QUOTE]Now I've discovered how to tighten the sequence that Black has to tread in order not to lose material.

[quote][B]33 Nxc8 Kxe6 34 Bh3+ Kf6 35 Rb6+ Kf7 36 Rb7 Bb4 37 Nxe7 Bxe7 38 Ra7[/B][/quote]If [B]38 ... Nb3 or Nc4[/B] then[B]
39 Ra6[/B] threatening 40 Be6+ winning the knight (on either b3 or c4)

< snip >

If [B]39 ... Bc5+ 40 Kg2[/B] (NOT Kf1 Nd2+ 41 K-move Bb4 protecting both knight and pawn) and now we still have [strike]the same threats to capture pawn or knight as we did before.[/strike][/QUOTE]... [I]almost[/I] the same threats, [I]but not quite[/I].

Now Black has a way to prevent losing either his a-pawn or his knight, by playing
[B]40 ... Ke7[/B] (note that 39 ... Bc5+ was necessary to vacate the e7 square).

If [B]41 Be6[/B] attacking the knight, it's not a check, so Black can move the knight. But if then 42 Rxa5 Kxe6.
In particular,
If (with knight on b3) [B]41 ... Nd4[/B] attacking the bishop, and there aren't any Black targets that our B can threaten when it moves.
If [B]42 B-move Bb4[/B]. Of course, then we can start nabbing king-side pawns with [B]43 Rxg6[/B], but Black retains his a-pawn threat.
If (with knight on c4) [B]41 ... Ne3+[/B] 42 Kf3 does prevent 42 ... Bb4 because of 43 Kxe3, but Black can simply move the knight again to a safe square, and because our bishop is still next to his king, we can't afford 43 Rxa5 yet, giving Black a tempo for ... Bb4.
If (with knight on c4) [B]41 ... Na3 or Nb2 or Nd2 or Ne5 or Nd6[/B] (not ... Nb6, where Black's bishop has to protect it and thus can't play ... Bb4) [B]42 Bb3 Bb4[/B] and again we've been thwarted in attempting to capture the a-pawn, but we can proceed to clean out Black's king-side with 43 Rxg6.

WMHalsdorf 2014-06-28 23:05

33 Nxc8 Kxe6 34 Bh3+ Kf6 35 Rb6+ Kf7 36 Rb7 Bb4 37 Nxe7 Bxe7 38 Ra7
If 38 ... Nb3 or Nc4 then 39. Bf1 Should be able to pick up another pawn.

cheesehead 2014-06-29 00:14

[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;376961]33 Nxc8 Kxe6 34 Bh3+ Kf6 35 Rb6+ Kf7 36 Rb7 Bb4 37 Nxe7 Bxe7 38 Ra7
If 38 ... Nb3 or Nc4 then 39. Bf1 Should be able to pick up another pawn.[/QUOTE]Yes, but not the a-pawn anytime soon.

One problem with Bf1 is that the square from which the bishop will attack the knight, c4, is vulnerable to counterattack by the knight, thus deterring our rook from taking on a5 before Black can play ... Bb4. The other is that the Black king can un-pin itself so as to allow Bc5+ threats, and we can't stop the unpinning without getting into repetition of position:

If [B]38 ... Nb3 39 Bf1 Kf8 40 Bc4 Nd2[/B]
If [B]41 B-moves Bc5+[/B]
If [B]41 Rc7[/B] now the rook isn't threatening to capture the a-pawn.
If [B]40 Ra8+ Kg7[/B]
If [B]41 Bc4 Nd2[/B]
If [B]42 B-moves Bb4[/B] and the a-pawn is protected.
If [B]41 Ra7 Kf8[/B] leads to repetition of position, or else White stops checking the king, allowing Black to get in Bc5+ or Bb4.

If [B]38 ... Nc4 39 Bf1 Kf8[/B]
If [B]40 Bxc4 Bc5+[/B]
If [B]40 Kg2 Ne3+ and 41... Nxf1 and 42... Bb4[/B] and the a-pawn is protected.
If [B]40 Kh1 Nd2 41 Bd3 Bb4[/B] and the a-pawn is protected. (Sure, 42 Bxg6, but we were going to get the king-side pawns eventually anyway. The point of this analysis is that we don't have a forced capture of the a-pawn as I'd originally thought.)

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Now for why I came here:
[QUOTE=cheesehead;376956]
If [B]41 Be6[/B] attacking the knight, it's not a check, so Black can move the knight. But if then 42 Rxa5 Kxe6.
In particular,
If (with knight on b3) [B]41 ... Nd4[/B] attacking the bishop, and there aren't any Black targets that our B can threaten when it moves.[/QUOTE]and
If [B]42 Rxa5[/B]
If [B]42 ... Kxe6 43 Rxc5[/B] we've won the pawn, but
If [B]42 ... Nxe6[/B] we've lost a bishop for a pawn.

WMHalsdorf 2014-06-29 02:58

[B]33 Nxc8 Kxe6 34 Bh3+ Kf6 35 Rb6+ Kf7 36 Rb7 Bb4 37 Nxe7 Bxe7 38 Ra7[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nb3 39 Bf1 Kf8 40 Ra6[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nc3 39 Bf1 Kf8 40 Ra8+[/B] wins knight
If [B]38 ... Nc3 39 Bf1 Nd2 40 Be2[/B] wins the a pawn
If [B]38 ... Nc3 39 Bf1 Ne3 40 Bd3[/B] wins the a pawn
If [B]38 ... Nc3 39 Bf1[/B] Other N-moves [B]40 Rxa5[/B]

LaurV 2014-06-29 15:25

They replied [B]Kxe6[/B] as expected. I spent few of the Sunday afternoon hours with the position, nothing else to do :wink: and I can't get rid of that feeling that we just gave away a clear victory, with the last move. Now, after [B]34 Bh3+ [STRIKE]Kf6[/STRIKE] Nf5[/B], we might be in for a long "rook against horse" final, which we may either be unable to win, if they play well. I mean, it still seems we are winning, at least we are able to clear the king's pawns with the rook, in about 8-10 moves, but you never know...

cheesehead 2014-06-29 19:12

[QUOTE=LaurV;376999]Now, after [B]34 Bh3+ [STRIKE]Kf6[/STRIKE] Nf5[/B][/QUOTE]I just noticed a few minutes ago that I'd been blind to that possibility, and came here to confess! Oh, well, we have lots of tricks and traps left.

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[URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=376982&postcount=155"]33...Kxe6[/URL] timestamp is 29 Jun 14, 05:48.
Our deadline (with one-hour margin) is Sunday, July 6 4:48 GMT
= Sunday, July 6 11:48 Thai time
= Sunday, July 6 0:48 EDT
= Saturday, July 5 23:48 CDT

cheesehead 2014-06-29 19:35

[QUOTE=LaurV;376999]I can't get rid of that feeling that we just gave away a clear victory, with the last move.[/QUOTE]

You've been having that sort of fear periodically throughout this game :-) So far, none have come to pass. :-) We still have all the advantages we had before.

Get some sleep. :-)

- - -

If [B]34 Bh3+ Nf5[/B], we _do_ have that Black knight pinned, after all -- just on a different square.
Possibilities for us after that include:

If [B]35 Rb6+ ????[/B]

If [B]35 Rb5 ????[/B]

If [B]35 Kg2[/B] (eliminating the Bc5+ threat) [B]35 ... ????[/B]

If [B]35 Bxf5+[/B]
If [B]35 ... Kxf5 36 ????[/B]
If [B]35 ... gxf5 36 ????[/B]
- - -

[QUOTE=LaurV;376999]we might be in for a long &quot;rook against horse&quot; final[/QUOTE]

With opposite-color bishops, I expect rook-and-bishop vs. knight-and-bishop.

cheesehead 2014-06-30 01:40

Hmmm ...

[B]34 Bh3+ Nf5 35 Rb6+[/B] can get us a piece-swap and K-side pawns.
If [B] 35 ... Kd7 36 Rxg6[/B] (getting R off the a7-g1 diagonal) [B]36 ...Kxc8 37 Bxf5+ K-moves 38 Rxh6[/B] and now we're ready to roll our K-side passers. I think we ought to be able to delay Black's capture of our a-pawn long enough to advance our g/h-pawns to the point where we queen one of them before Black queens his a-pawn - but that's not based on hard calculation,

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[B]34 Rb6+[/B] I'd been avoiding doing this before Bh3+ because ... Kd7 ruins the pin set-up the other move aimed at. (And, as usual, we must keep in mind that this puts rook and king on same a7-g1 diagonal.)) But I'm taking a second look, and this has possibilities such as:
If [B]34 ...Kd7 35 Bh3+[/B]
But if [B]35 ... Kc7[/B], we mustn't fall for the trap of trying to win two pieces for our rook with 36 Nxe7 Kxb6 37 Nd5+, because Black would play 36 ... Bd4+ instead, and we'll have given away our material advantage.
However, in this position Black is threatening to win a piece with Nxc8 because our B/c8 is double-attacked and single-defended ... and our rook must flee.
Although 36 Rb5 threatens 37 Rc5+ after 36 ...Nxc8, Black can strike first with 36 ... Bd4+ and if 37 Kg2 Nxc8 38 Rxa5 Black has two knights for our rook+pawn.

But after [B]34 Rb6+ Kd7[/B], there's another forcing move:
[B]35 R[U][B]d[/B][/U]6+[/B]

If [B]35 ... Kxc8 36 Bh3+[/B]
If [B]36 ... Kb7 or Kc7 37 Rd7+[/B] restores our material edge.
If [B]36 ... Kb8 37 Rd8+[/B]
If [B]37 ... Ka7 or Kb7 or Kc7 38 Rd7+[/B] again restores our material edge.
If [B]37 ... Nc8 38 Rxc8+[/B] and [B]39 Rxc3[/B] - we're up a whole rook!
If [B]36 ... Nf5 37 Rc6+[/B] and [B]38 Rxc3[/B] - we traded our knight for their strong bishop and remain the Exchange up!

If [B]35 ... Kc7[/B] Is there any advantage to this strange choice? [B][B]36 ????[/B]

If [B]35 ... Ke8[/B][/B] Is there any advantage to this strange choice? [B]36 ????[/B]

LaurV 2014-06-30 07:58

[QUOTE=cheesehead;377006]You've been having that sort of fear periodically throughout this game :-)[/QUOTE]
Yes, usually (and only) after my move is outvoted :-P

Now, if you are optimistic about it, I don't mind we being playing any other version, you convinced me over the game that you know your stuff. This is your final, and I am convinced you can play it and win it.

Right now is clear that we can't do better than [B]34 Bh3+[/B], so, we can play it and see what they come out with. I think it doesn't really make sense to argue about move 35, they may still play 34...Kf6, or 34...Kf7 directly (why waste a move? :-P). So, we see after that how we go.

cheesehead 2014-06-30 18:32

[QUOTE=LaurV;377044]Yes, usually (and only) after my move is outvoted :-P[/QUOTE]Oh ... that makes sense,

[quote]Now, if you are optimistic about it, I don't mind we being playing any other version, you convinced me over the game that you know your stuff. This is your final, and I am convinced you can play it and win it.

Right now is clear that we can't do better than [B]34 Bh3+[/B][/quote]... and that's just why I came here! A few minutes ago, I discovered a great continuation if they respond with 34 ... Nf5. (And we know that if they play 34 ... K-moves, we give them a great hassle!)

If [B]34 Bh3+[/B]
If [B]34 ... Nf5[/B]

Now, something I glanced at previously, but didn't follow through earlier is:
*** ==> [B]35 g4[/B].

If Black doesn't move the N/f5, we get it. If they _do_ move the knight, we get a lovely little discovered check, and then an instant passed pawn on the sixth rank to cause Black headaches!

[I] Note: This is just my hurried first-draft analysis tree for [B]35 g4[/B], but I wanted to get it posted so you guys can start on it! This tree is going to get very big, because Black has such a wide variety of possibilities that listing _many_ legal moves at certain points will be necessary.
[/I]
If [B]35 ... Bd4+[/B]
If [B]36 Kh1 ????[/B] (NOT 36 Kg2 Nh4+ 37 Kg3 g5)

If [B]35 ... Nd6 36 ????

[/B]If [B]35 ... Ng3 36 hxg3 ????

[/B]If [B]35 ... Ne3 or or Ne7 or Ng7 or Nh4 36 g5+[/B] and now we have two branches, depending on Black's king move:

If [B]36 ... Kd5 or Ke5 or Ke7 37 gxh6[/B] and?

If [B]36 ... Kf7 37 gxh6[/B]
If [B]37 ... Kg8[/B]
If [B]38 Rb7[/B] and now Black has a wide variety of possibilities, so I'll just list every legal move:
If [B]38 ... Ba1 or [/B][B]Bb2 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bd4+ 39 Kh1 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Be5 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bf6 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bg7 39 Rxg7+ ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bh8 39 ????[/B]

If [B]38 ... Nb1 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nb3 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nc4 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Ne4 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nf1 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Ndf3+ 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... g5[/B] threatening ... Ng8 [B]39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Kf8 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Kh8 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nhf3+ 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nf5 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Ng2 39 ????
[/B]
- - -

I have to go to an appointment soon, so I'll leave this messy tree as is for right now.

cheesehead 2014-07-01 10:15

Speculative scenario:

34 Bh3+ Nf5 35 g4 Nf3+ 36 Kh1 (not Kg2) Nh4 37 g5+ Kf7 38 gxh6 Kg8 39 Rb7 Nf5 40 Bxf5 gxf5 41 Nd6 f4 42 h7+ Kh8 43 Nf7+ Kxh7 44 Ng5+ K-moves 45 Nxf3

cheesehead 2014-07-01 10:39

Updated analysis:

[B]34 Bh3+[/B]

If [B]34 ... Nf5 [/B][B]35 g4[/B]

If [B]35 ... Bd4+[/B] [B]36 Kh1 [/B](NOT 36 Kg2 Nh4+ 37 Kg3 g5) and continues as in another branch.

If [B]35 ... Nf3+[/B] [B]36 Kh1 [/B](NOT 36 Kg2 Nh4+ 37 Kg3 g5) and continues as in another branch.

If [B]35 ... Ne7[/B] threatens to swap knights so as to lessen our attack. We should avoid that swap except on our own terms, I think.
If [B]36 g5+ Kf7[/B] (not ... Kd5 or ... Ke5 37 Nxe7) [B]37 Nd6+ Kg7[/B](forced)[B] 38 Rb7[/B]
Here note that Black cannot protect the N/e7 with his B on this move 38. (E.g., 38 ... Bb4 39 Rxe7+ Kf8 40 Re6 hxg5 41 Rxg6)
If [B]38 ... Kf8 39 gxh6[/B] threatening 40 Rb8+ Nc8 (forced) 41 Rxc8+ and 42 Rxc3
If [B]39 ... B-move(except Bd4+) 40 Rb8+ Nc8 41 Rxc8+ Ke7[/B] we're a rook up.
If [B]39 ... Bd4+ 40 Kh1[/B] and Black still cannot stop Rb8+ except by sacrificing his B, so game proceeds as in other branches.
If [B]39 ... Nf5 40 Rb8+ Ke7 41 Nxf5+[/B]
If [B]41 ... gxf5 42 h7[/B] and 43 h8/Q Bxh8 44 Rxh8.
If [B]41 ... Kf7 42 h7[/B] and 43 h8/Q Bxh8 44 Rxh8.
If 39 ... ???
If 38 ... ???

If [B]35 ... Nd6[/B] [B]36 g5+
[/B]If [B]36 ... Kd5[/B] (not ... Kf7 37 Nxd6)
With the Black knight on d6 instead of e7, trading knights helps us by ensuring our g-pawn's advance (or material gain).
[B]37 Nxd6
[/B]If [B]37 ... Kxd6 38 gxh6[/B] and[B] h7 etc.
[/B]If [B]37 ... hxg5 38 Nf7 etc.
[/B]If [B]36 ... Ke5 37 Nxd6
[/B]If [B]37 ... [/B][B][B]Kxd6 38 gxh6[/B] and[B] h7 etc.
[/B][/B]If [B][B]37 ... hxg6 38 Nf7+
[/B][/B]If [B][B]38 ... Kf4 or Kf6 39[/B] ????[/B] We're up a rook for a pawn.If [B][B]38 ... [/B]???? [/B]We're up a rook for a pawn.

[strike]If [B]35 ... Ng3 36 hxg3[/B][/strike]

If [B]35 ... Nd4 or Nd6 or Ne3 or Ng7 or Nh4 36 g5+[/B] and now we have two branches, depending on Black's king move:

If [B]36 ... Kd5 or Ke5 or Ke7 37 gxh6[/B] and?

If [B]36 ... Kf7 37 gxh6[/B]
If [B]37 ... Kg8[/B]
If [B]38 Rb7[/B] and now Black has a wide variety of possibilities, so I'll just list every legal move:
If [B]38 ... Ba1 or [/B][B]Bb2 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bd4+ 39 Kh1 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Be5 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bf6 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bg7 39 Rxg7+ ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Bh8 39 ????[/B]

If [B]38 ... Nb1 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nb3 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nc4 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Ne4 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nf1 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Ndf3+ 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... g5[/B] threatening ... Ng8 [B]39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Kf8 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Kh8 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nhf3+ 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Nf5 39 ????[/B]
If [B]38 ... Ng2 39 ????
[/B]

LaurV 2014-07-01 14:42

Very good that g4 move! Actually the last analysis looks very good for us. I think I will play 34 Bh3+ and give them the ball... They may answer fast, and we get another weekend. Not that we would need one. The game is played.

cheesehead 2014-07-02 00:34

[B][U]NO! NO! NO! Don't ever do that![/U][/B]

[U][B][I]I warned you on at least one earlier move not to post a move before we had explicit agreement on it!! (Have you forgotten that? Apparently so)[/I][/B][/U]

[B][U]We never voted on that move, LaurV!!![/U][/B]

We were still only in the middle of analyzing it!!!!

We had NOT FINISHED analyzingt it!!!

Our deadline is still four days away!!! There was no need whatsoever to post that move now!

cheesehead 2014-07-02 00:49

I have just now posted, [URL="http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=377158&postcount=157"]on the "Vote Chess game 2" thread, the following:[/URL] [quote]I have to register a protest:

I was shocked to discover just now that LaurV had posted that move.

Our team [U]had not yet voted on a move.[/U]

We hadn't finished analyzing the move LaurV posted. LaurV could have easily seen that there were still many, many question marks in our analysis tree.

LaurV had neither reason, [B]nor agreement by other team members[/B], to post a move this long before our move deadline![/quote]

cheesehead 2014-07-02 01:00

... and LaurV, [U]I've discovered another previously-unanticipated Black response to 34 Bh3+[/U] that we've not yet analyzed for its full implications!
Your hasty, unauthorized action may have cost us a win.

You did not have agreement of other team members either to post a move this soon before our deadline, or to post that particular move .. [U]and you had previously been warned not to be hasty in posting moves before we had full team agreement.[/U]

In view of all that, I'm considering (but have not yet actually taken this step) formally requesting that our team be assigned a new captain, or formally resigning from this team myself [strike](but have not yet actually taken that step, either)[/strike].

Update: I've officially posted that I'm resigning from this team.

- - -

LaurV,,

You've thrown away the hours of work I put into analysis of this move -- which is not yet finished. So, it seems that I'm no longer needed on this team. Good bye.

I'm now deleting the note where I recorded the password for this discussion, so that I won't post here again.

Remember, LaurV, it's not just that you posted prematurely this time, it's that you posted prematurely this time _after I specifically warned you not to do that_ and _after I made that warning not just once, but multiple times earlier in this game._

LaurV 2014-07-02 03:01

Ok, I just saw all the rigmarole.

WMH, are you still with me here? I posted my opinion in the public forum. I want to know if we continue, or if I am out. After all, I don't give a dime, it is just a game.

WMHalsdorf 2014-07-02 15:21

I'm still here. Being a diabetic means that on occasions I have to pay more attention to my health than other things when my sugar level are higher than normal for more than a day. I had not finished the response of Nf5 to Bh3+ being following with g4 when I saw the posting of our move. I had figured you both had come to an agreement about Bh3+. I was hoping for some extra time to go thru some more what ifs in that line. Right now this a transition from the middle game to an end game such that when any exchange of material has to be considered with how will the remaining will work to achieve a win. I would suggest that 2 days before our response is needed that we at least reduce the number of replies to a reasonable number in this case I saw only 2 moves Rb6+ (winning on the Q-side) and Bh3+ (with the possibility of winning on either side thus requiring a much deeper analysis) Besides I don't think g4 is the best response to Nf5.

LaurV 2014-07-02 16:00

No problem man, take care about yourself, the health is more important than this freaking game here. We are doing good in the game, we could do even better with 33 Nb5 :wink:, but now what's done is done. I kept my mouth shut in the past from respect for cheesehead's work, but I still have this feeling we could play much better in few cases. Anyhow, I posted 34 Bh3, the damage is done, sorry for it (I can say sorry to you, to drag you on this dispute without your fault), let's see black team's reply to the 34 Bh3.

Assuming they play the horse, I also thing that g4 is not the best move.
We can do better with 35 Rb6.

Looking to cheesehead's last "speculative scenario" few posts above, he suggested 36 Kh1. This is not a bad move (hehe, cheesehead's ghost still haunting the thread :razz:), because is taking the king out of the link, so we can play Rb6 without being afraid of black Bd4. Kg2 is not good (indeed!) because of the horse check after Nc4 Bxf5. But if we play now after 34...Nf5, 3[COLOR=Red][B][U]5[/U][/B][/COLOR] Kh1 (!) this is [U]strong[/U], black can't do nothing, their pieces are totally linked each other.

So, If they move the horse, I thing our choice is between 35 Rb6+ and 35 Kh1.

Batalov 2014-07-03 02:05

Retracting a move is highly irregular, and we haven't done that in these 1.5 games. I'd rather not break the general rules of chess: "You touch - you move".

But if either one or all of you want to create a precedent, then discuss and post your decision in the main thread. Or let me know, and I will post that either the move is retracted or that the move stays as is.

LaurV 2014-07-03 02:57

We are not "retracting" anything. That was the best move we could do. My wording like "the damage is done" was related to the argument with cheesehead that I posted too early, and not to the fact that the move was wrong.

Batalov 2014-07-03 03:16

Ok

LaurV 2014-07-03 12:54

Just to give a reply to cheesehead about "why the 34 Nxe7 wasn't better", without putting this on public forum: 34 Nxe7 would be a stupid move, realizing nothing except exchanging the horses. After 34 Bh3+, they can either block with the horse, as discussed, or move the king, but the king need to stay close to the horse, otherwise the horse is lost for free. That horse not too late to be taken. But we have better play. The king can't protect both the horse and the g6 pawn, in case we exchange the horses, the king still need to stay close to g6. To avoid this, after Kf7 Rb7, black is forced to protect the horse with Bb4, and NOW is the time to exchange, so we have much more liberty on the other side to clear the a5 pawn, and solve the mistake we did by playing 33Nxc8 instead of the clearly winning "minus infinite" (and the man still has the courage to talk to me about anger :yucky:) move 33 Nb5.

Therefore, 34...Kf6 35 Rb6+ Kf7 36 Rb7 Bb4 37 Nxe7 Bxe7 38 Ra7 Nc4 39 Bf1 (or 38...Nb3 39 Bg4) is the winning path which I see here.

On the other branch, 34... Nf5, 35 Kh1 Ke5 (or d5, for example) 36 Rb6 (they lose both king's pawns if they move the horse now) is also (almost sure) winning.

Why should we waste the time with endless analysis? We have real life.

WMHalsdorf 2014-07-04 13:11

I'm currently lookin at Rb6+ as a response to Nf6

WMHalsdorf 2014-07-05 10:28

Looks like I don't have to bother any further analysis. I believe Rb7 was the agreed upon responce to Kf7 and see no reason to delay posting it within the next 48 hrs.

LaurV 2014-07-05 13:26

Indeed, thanks. Posted.


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