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wildrabbitt 2020-04-11 15:00

need guidance with some maths
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Hi, I've been trying to understand some maths in one of my text books for a long time now. I've written out all the relevant material and then explained why I can't understand it. If anyone can point out the right way to understand it, as usual I'd be most appreciative.




Nick 2020-04-12 09:44

I'm having trouble understanding what you have written.
You start with q, which I assume is a fixed prime number, and define zeta as a primitive qth root of unity in the complex numbers.
You then choose a polynomial F and suppose that \(F(\zeta^m)=F(\zeta)\) whenever \(v(m)\equiv 0\pmod{e}\).
Presumably this e is not the constant 2.718... that you used earlier! Is e a fixed integer here?
In explaining what v(n) means, you then refer to both e and f - what is f?

wildrabbitt 2020-04-13 11:47

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Thanks for your interest.
I wrote out what I understand of it.



Nick 2020-04-13 13:54

Let's take your example of q=7. If

where the \(f_i\) and \(g_i\) are polynomials with integer (or rational) coefficients
then \(f_0=g_0\), \(f_1=g_1\),...,\(f_6=g_6\).
So it's not a problem if the polynomial F has a constant term.
Replacing \(\zeta\) with \(\zeta^m\) permutes the coefficients of \(\zeta^1\) up to \(\zeta^6\) and leaves \(\zeta^0\) unaltered.

wildrabbitt 2020-04-13 15:44

Thanks very much. That's just what I needed. I can get on now with your help :smile:

wildrabbitt 2020-04-13 16:11

Except I still don't know how it can be

that if \[ F(x) = \prod_{R}(x - \zeta^{R}) \] has a constant term,

then \[ F(\zeta) = A_{0}(x)\eta_{0} + A_{1}(x)\eta_{1} \]

as it seems to me there can't be a constant term on the right hand side of the latter.

Nick 2020-04-13 16:59

On your 1st sheet, you have
\[ F(\zeta)=\sum_{r=1}^{q-1}A_r\zeta^r\]
so there is no term with \(\zeta^0\) (or \(\zeta^q\) which is also 1).
On your 2nd sheet, you apply the idea to a polynomial which does have a term with \(\zeta^0\).
Is the book you are using a well known one? If one of has it, perhaps we can help you pinpoint where the misunderstanding arises.

wildrabbitt 2020-04-13 18:49

Multiplicative Number Theory by Harold Davenport published by Springer (part of a series - Graduate Texts in Mathematics.


Nick 2020-04-13 20:29

OK, I think I understand the confusion.
Let's use your example of q=7 with \(\zeta=e^{2\pi i/7}\).
Then we have
\[ \zeta^0=1,\zeta^1=\zeta,\zeta^2,\zeta^3,\zeta^4,\zeta^5,\zeta^6\]
all distinct and \(\zeta^7=1\) again.
We also have the equation
\[ \zeta^6+\zeta^5+\zeta^4+\zeta^3+\zeta^2+\zeta+1=0\]
so it follows that
\[ -1=\zeta^6+\zeta^5+\zeta^4+\zeta^3+\zeta^2+\zeta \]
Thus you can use \(\zeta^0\) to \(\zeta^5\) inclusive OR \(\zeta^1\) to \(\zeta^6\) inclusive and still equate coefficients (they are linearly independent).

I hope this helps!

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