Can You See The Patterns..?

wustvn · 21 Jul 08, 13:13

Hello to all of you guys,
Is there any of you can help me finding the relationships/patterns of table that I attach below? (file name: puzzle.pdf)
(The table consist of 350 rows and 20 columns, contains of numbers 0-9).
Thank's.

petrw1 · 21 Jul 08, 16:20

Can you give any clues are to what to look for, where to start, etc.

Is this a puzzle where you know the answer and are testing us or do you also NOT know the answer?

cheesehead · 21 Jul 08, 17:03

It's been found that people will see patterns even in random data. Evolutionarily, it has been more advantageous to seem to see patterns that weren't there (e.g., spooky shadows) than to miss seeing patterns that were real (e.g., a predator in the shadows), so that's how our brains work.

wustvn · 22 Jul 08, 12:45

Hi petrw1 & cheesehead, nice to see you again...
Honestly, I don't know the answer either. I just found that maybe this clues can help?
Assume:
# 1-350 as rows, #1-20 as columns.
Number 5 in row 1, column 2 repeated again in row 2, column 2.
Number 6 in row 1, column 3/4 repeated again in row 2, column 4.
Number 8 in row 1, column 6/8 repeated again in row 2, column 5/8.
Number 7 in row 1, column 9 repeated again in row 2, column 11.
Number 3 in row 1, column 11 repeated again in row 2, column 12.
Number 8 in row 1, column 12 repeated again in row 2, column 9.
Number 9 in row 1, column 14/15 repeated again in row 2, column 16.
Number 4 in row 1, column 19/20 repeated again in row 2, column 17.

Number 8 in row 2, column 5/8 repeated again in row 3, column 8.
Number 7 in row 2, column 11 repeated again in row 3, column 11.
Number 4 in row 2, column 17 repeated again in row 3, column 18.
Number 9 in row 2, column 20 repeated again in row 3, column 20.

Number 8 in row 3 column 8 repeated again in row 4, column 6.
Number 0 in row 3, column 10 repeated again in row 4, column 12.
Number 5 in row 3, column 12 repeated again in row 4, column 10.
Number 2 in row 3, column 13 repeated again in row 4, column 13.
Number 6 in row 3, column 17 repeated again in row 4, column 18.
Number 4 in row 3, column 18 repeated again in row 4, column 20.
Number 5 in row 3, column 19 repeated again in row 4, column 19.

Temporary conclusion:
There's at least one number repeated to next row (if the tables is seen by every four columns), but sometimes there's no repeated numbers at all (such as column 1,2,3,4 row 1 to row 2).
Thx.

wblipp · 23 Jul 08, 00:26

What do you make of the four blanks on row 165? Is it an error or a clue?

Kevin · 23 Jul 08, 04:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by wblipp

What do you make of the four blanks on row 165? Is it an error or a clue?

Perhaps the puzzle is to fill in the missing values?

We have 350 (number of rows)=165*2+20(number of columns). Maybe there's some odd way of sequencing the numbers that exploits this fact, and makes it so the blanks appear at the beginning/end? Just an idea...

Also, in row 274 some of the entries are bolded.

wustvn · 23 Jul 08, 07:27

Hi wblipp & Kevin,
Some data were missing in row 165, and bolded entries in row 274 mean nothing.
Thx.

wustvn · 20 Nov 08, 14:00

Now I'd like to post this problem in a different format. I re-numbered and re-arranged the tables like the file that I attach in my last post at: Da Vinci Puzzles forum (name Enigma.xls).
So there are now 284 tables with ten rows (0,1,2,..9) each, which every tables contain of numbers 1 to 40. The problem is how to put the next larger numbers 41,42,43 and so on, in the precise rows for every tables.
Thx.

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21 Jul 08, 16:20	#2
petrw1 1976 Toyota Corona years forever! Name: Wayne Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 3,278	Can you give any clues are to what to look for, where to start, etc. Is this a puzzle where you know the answer and are testing us or do you also NOT know the answer?

21 Jul 08, 17:03	#3
cheesehead Name: Richard B. Woods Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 7,692	It's been found that people will see patterns even in random data. Evolutionarily, it has been more advantageous to seem to see patterns that weren't there (e.g., spooky shadows) than to miss seeing patterns that were real (e.g., a predator in the shadows), so that's how our brains work.

22 Jul 08, 12:45	#4
wustvn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17	Hi petrw1 & cheesehead, nice to see you again... Honestly, I don't know the answer either. I just found that maybe this clues can help? Assume: # 1-350 as rows, #1-20 as columns. Number 5 in row 1, column 2 repeated again in row 2, column 2. Number 6 in row 1, column 3/4 repeated again in row 2, column 4. Number 8 in row 1, column 6/8 repeated again in row 2, column 5/8. Number 7 in row 1, column 9 repeated again in row 2, column 11. Number 3 in row 1, column 11 repeated again in row 2, column 12. Number 8 in row 1, column 12 repeated again in row 2, column 9. Number 9 in row 1, column 14/15 repeated again in row 2, column 16. Number 4 in row 1, column 19/20 repeated again in row 2, column 17. Number 8 in row 2, column 5/8 repeated again in row 3, column 8. Number 7 in row 2, column 11 repeated again in row 3, column 11. Number 4 in row 2, column 17 repeated again in row 3, column 18. Number 9 in row 2, column 20 repeated again in row 3, column 20. Number 8 in row 3 column 8 repeated again in row 4, column 6. Number 0 in row 3, column 10 repeated again in row 4, column 12. Number 5 in row 3, column 12 repeated again in row 4, column 10. Number 2 in row 3, column 13 repeated again in row 4, column 13. Number 6 in row 3, column 17 repeated again in row 4, column 18. Number 4 in row 3, column 18 repeated again in row 4, column 20. Number 5 in row 3, column 19 repeated again in row 4, column 19. Temporary conclusion: There's at least one number repeated to next row (if the tables is seen by every four columns), but sometimes there's no repeated numbers at all (such as column 1,2,3,4 row 1 to row 2). Thx.

23 Jul 08, 00:26	#5
wblipp Name: William Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Haven Posts: 2,208	What do you make of the four blanks on row 165? Is it an error or a clue?

23 Jul 08, 07:27	#7
wustvn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17	Hi wblipp & Kevin, Some data were missing in row 165, and bolded entries in row 274 mean nothing. Thx.

20 Nov 08, 14:00	#8
wustvn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17	Now I'd like to post this problem in a different format. I re-numbered and re-arranged the tables like the file that I attach in my last post at: Da Vinci Puzzles forum (name Enigma.xls). So there are now 284 tables with ten rows (0,1,2,..9) each, which every tables contain of numbers 1 to 40. The problem is how to put the next larger numbers 41,42,43 and so on, in the precise rows for every tables. Thx.